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18th question.

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Hi all, any comments welcome on this one.
Is it still acceptable to have a socket outlet for a specific use not rcd protected under the 18th?
I fitted a single 13a socket outlet recently in a loft space for one of my regular customers, it is to supply a security camera system and the suppliers asked for a socket to be provided. It is supplied from the first floor lighting circuit which doesn't have rcd protection. (16th. ed. board) There is not the slightest chance of the socket being used to supply anything else and I would like to issue a mwc stating that the socket is only to be used for this specific purpose. If it's a major issue I could get back to the customer and arrange to fit an rcbo but I don't really think that is necessary? Thinking now about going back to change socket for an rcd protected one?
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  • This debate seems set to rumble on and on.

    BS 7288 paragraph 1 Scope: "SRCDs are only intended to provide supplementary protection downstream of the SRCD." The problem, as I have mentioned in this forum previously, is that "supplementary protection" is not defined.


    So what are the differences between a BS EN 61008/61009 device and a BS 7288 one? They are different. BS 7288 paragraph 0 Introduction: "Although the BS EN 61008 and BS EN 61009 series may be applicable to “residual current devices integrated in socket-outlets” it is acknowledged that due to the specific use and location of a socket-outlet, at the boundary of the fixed installation and immediately upstream of electrical equipment powered through a plug inserted into the socket-outlet, these devices require different features."


    (1) The SRCD may be operated (by ordinary persons, although it doesn't say that) several times a day.

    (2) Isolation is not required because that is achieved by pulling the plug. So if you just switch off at the RCD and don't pull the plug, the load is not isolated. By contrast, the operation of a BS EN 61008/9 device does provide (at least single pole) isolation and may be locked off.

    (3) "The absence of permanently connected long conductors downstream of the RCD, together with a limited number of powered appliances, justifies reduced EMC levels." So the BS 7288 SRC is not as robust as a BS EN 61008/61009 device with respect to electromagnetic disturbances.


    So there we have it. The devices are different and they are not approved for the same purpose. That said, I am perfectly happy that when I use equipment outdoors, I am adequately protected by my BS 7288 SRCD.
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  • This debate seems set to rumble on and on.

    BS 7288 paragraph 1 Scope: "SRCDs are only intended to provide supplementary protection downstream of the SRCD." The problem, as I have mentioned in this forum previously, is that "supplementary protection" is not defined.


    So what are the differences between a BS EN 61008/61009 device and a BS 7288 one? They are different. BS 7288 paragraph 0 Introduction: "Although the BS EN 61008 and BS EN 61009 series may be applicable to “residual current devices integrated in socket-outlets” it is acknowledged that due to the specific use and location of a socket-outlet, at the boundary of the fixed installation and immediately upstream of electrical equipment powered through a plug inserted into the socket-outlet, these devices require different features."


    (1) The SRCD may be operated (by ordinary persons, although it doesn't say that) several times a day.

    (2) Isolation is not required because that is achieved by pulling the plug. So if you just switch off at the RCD and don't pull the plug, the load is not isolated. By contrast, the operation of a BS EN 61008/9 device does provide (at least single pole) isolation and may be locked off.

    (3) "The absence of permanently connected long conductors downstream of the RCD, together with a limited number of powered appliances, justifies reduced EMC levels." So the BS 7288 SRC is not as robust as a BS EN 61008/61009 device with respect to electromagnetic disturbances.


    So there we have it. The devices are different and they are not approved for the same purpose. That said, I am perfectly happy that when I use equipment outdoors, I am adequately protected by my BS 7288 SRCD.
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