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Needing to meet mcb zs with ln loop.

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Where an rcd is relied on for fault protection due to high zs it has been suggested to me that the loop between live Conductors needs to be less than the mcb max zs. I can't find anything on this anywhere but he said he had this confirmed by an niceic assessor. Have I got it wrong ?
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  • Socket circuit in a TT installation protected by a B32/30mA RCBO.


    Disconnection time required by CPD 0.4 seconds rather than 0.2 seconds (Table 41.1), maximum disconnection time by RCD 40 milliseconds.

    Maximum earth fault loop impedance for a B32 MCB to disconnect in 0.4 second 1.37 ohms, maximum earth loop impedance for a 30 mA RCD 1666 ohms. 

    Time/current characteristic for B32 RCBP overcurrent characteristic current for time 0.1 sec to 5.0 second.

    So for the RCBO to trip due to a short circuit,  overload or an earth fault it needs to satisfy the requirements above. 
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    So the RCBO relies on its RCD function to protect against earth faults and it's MCB function to protect against shorts and overload and all the requirements to allow it to function correctly seem to have been met.


    So why isn't the live neutral loop test satisfactory?


    Andy Betteridge
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  • Socket circuit in a TT installation protected by a B32/30mA RCBO.


    Disconnection time required by CPD 0.4 seconds rather than 0.2 seconds (Table 41.1), maximum disconnection time by RCD 40 milliseconds.

    Maximum earth fault loop impedance for a B32 MCB to disconnect in 0.4 second 1.37 ohms, maximum earth loop impedance for a 30 mA RCD 1666 ohms. 

    Time/current characteristic for B32 RCBP overcurrent characteristic current for time 0.1 sec to 5.0 second.

    So for the RCBO to trip due to a short circuit,  overload or an earth fault it needs to satisfy the requirements above. 
    19fb7d7db5e098de722d7020bdea1f36-huge-20190501_142123.jpg
    28eed91c6824c0d18ddfdae670b52694-huge-20190501_142338.jpg
    649cd829e87b46465f15371214a6f68b-huge-20190501_142253.jpg
    a8e5ef1a6608dddce2e5c7775e0b2b7c-huge-20190501_142253.jpg

    So the RCBO relies on its RCD function to protect against earth faults and it's MCB function to protect against shorts and overload and all the requirements to allow it to function correctly seem to have been met.


    So why isn't the live neutral loop test satisfactory?


    Andy Betteridge
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