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More unprotected wiring inside CU on TT. (..SPD cables)

Since Amd 3 and much arguing, the industry and IET seem to have become more settled about use of no up-front RCD on all TT when using all-RCBO installation in metal boards. (GN3 takes a slightly more dim view of doing this on split load boards due to the unprotected feeds to the RCCB’s).

Since we are now duly fitting SPD device directly after the main switch, even on an all RCBO set-up, we have now added additional non-RCD'ed vulnerable wiring - The cable loop from MCB to SPD, or depending  if MCB is not necessary for the SPD, maybe from main switch direct to SPD. Since few manufacturers yet seem to offer factory made cables or a specified methodology to do this, (Some do- Hager being one, most don't), connectivity is likely as not to get made up on-site, maybe not as reliable as they could otherwise be, and certainly outside the control of the board manufacturer.

So does this raise the bar WRT the practice on TT of neglecting to fit up-front S type on all RCBO board? There are certainly now more flappy bits to fall out than there were. -  Do we still rely on our good workmanship and tight connections or does it suggest up-front 100mA S type in place of main switch needs to be a recommendation again?

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  • The general recommendation seems to be to have the first line of SPDs upstream of the first line of RCDs (especially when type 1 SPDs are needed) - otherwise the transient has to go through the RCD - risking nuisance trips at best and a dead RCD at worst.(That can be seen in practice overseas and in the notes to our own regulations - e.g. 534.4.7).


    The SPD can of course be connected via an overcurrent protective device (MCB or fuse) if required.


    On TT systems upstream of RCDs,  SPDs need to be connected L-N and N-PE (never L-PE) - so even if the SPD fails to short either the effect should be relatively harmless or the overcurrent protection should disconnect it promptly.


    The entire installation upstream of the first RCD on a TT of course needs to meet the requirements of double or reinforced insulation (section 412) - unsheathed insulated conductors in a metallic enclosure are unlikely to meet that requirement.


      - Andy.
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  • The general recommendation seems to be to have the first line of SPDs upstream of the first line of RCDs (especially when type 1 SPDs are needed) - otherwise the transient has to go through the RCD - risking nuisance trips at best and a dead RCD at worst.(That can be seen in practice overseas and in the notes to our own regulations - e.g. 534.4.7).


    The SPD can of course be connected via an overcurrent protective device (MCB or fuse) if required.


    On TT systems upstream of RCDs,  SPDs need to be connected L-N and N-PE (never L-PE) - so even if the SPD fails to short either the effect should be relatively harmless or the overcurrent protection should disconnect it promptly.


    The entire installation upstream of the first RCD on a TT of course needs to meet the requirements of double or reinforced insulation (section 412) - unsheathed insulated conductors in a metallic enclosure are unlikely to meet that requirement.


      - Andy.
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