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Double wound safety transformer for EV supply.

Hi everyone, I have only posted once before so thanks to anyone who replies!


I am following on from the earlier "70 volt PEN conductor not allowed to exceed post", and looking into supplying a client with an electric vehicle power supply from a three phase isolating transformer BS 7671 722.413 (1.2): " The circuit shall be supplied through a fixed isolating transformer.."


The general consensus seems to be that an external IP box with an RCD (Type B) and a tethered lead is the standard to follow, and this may be the only option with a 230 volt domestic supply, but why not use a 3 phase 400 volt step down or tapped, safety double wound isolation transformer in a standard 100 -200 ampere or above industrial units/sheds?

( Subject to load and diversity).


The answer often stated when I have asked sparks/engineers is that in-rush current are too high but a type D CB BS 60898 will 'let through' the in-rush ( the transformer manufacturer agrees), and will still give at 5 seconds- (final circuit exceeding 32 A) 0.44 ohm EL ( 10oC) , so is achievable in many situations local to Birmingham.


I was then going to run a fused cable out to an external isolated IP 65 box with a Type 2 socket to IP44 or above ( 722.55.101).


Isn't it better to engineer a solution to the upcoming electric charger deluge, rather than buying (insert well known manufacturer name here), and lots of single phase loads usually dumped onto L1?


I would be interested in any thoughts or problems you may consider....





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  • Thoughts after about 10 seconds of consideration.

    Drawing the load current from phase to phase would elegantly sidesteps the question of PEN and rise of earth /neutral

    On the secondary side, connect one side of the  230 to a local electrode and call it neutral of a TN-S 230V supply, keep away from the suppliers PEN derived earth.

    Do not connect the secondary winding to the suppliers earth, but do earth the core, in case of failure of primary insulation.


    I think there are things that can be done for inrush - though we need to know how much primary current are we talking - I have used negative temperature slope  inrush limiters with great success on transformers up to about 5kVA, and on much larger (circa 50kVA), we have designed in a staggered start, where we connect to the mains via a (bosky ) resistance of a few ohms on one contactor and a few mains cycles later a second contactor shorts out the resistor Given the transformer price, the extra cost of the slow start components is negligible. Resistor does need containment to catch the explosion if the second contactor fails to come in on time. And in the second one, it did have. That was  an "oh dear" ? moment if ever there was.

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  • Thoughts after about 10 seconds of consideration.

    Drawing the load current from phase to phase would elegantly sidesteps the question of PEN and rise of earth /neutral

    On the secondary side, connect one side of the  230 to a local electrode and call it neutral of a TN-S 230V supply, keep away from the suppliers PEN derived earth.

    Do not connect the secondary winding to the suppliers earth, but do earth the core, in case of failure of primary insulation.


    I think there are things that can be done for inrush - though we need to know how much primary current are we talking - I have used negative temperature slope  inrush limiters with great success on transformers up to about 5kVA, and on much larger (circa 50kVA), we have designed in a staggered start, where we connect to the mains via a (bosky ) resistance of a few ohms on one contactor and a few mains cycles later a second contactor shorts out the resistor Given the transformer price, the extra cost of the slow start components is negligible. Resistor does need containment to catch the explosion if the second contactor fails to come in on time. And in the second one, it did have. That was  an "oh dear" ? moment if ever there was.

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