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Earth Leakage Trip explosive gas environment

Hi All


I have a question relating to the Earth Leakage Trip level for an electric heater, heating natural gas for a generator.  As I remember to level specified in IEC 60079 is 100 mA.  My problem is I have a long run of cable to the heater from a thyristor controller and I have to set the trip to 500 mA to avoid spurious trips due to cable capaciatance to ground.  Does this then not comply with the EIC spec?  My justification is that 400 mA of the earth current are running through the capacitor, so leaving 100 mA for a genuine insulation failure.


Thanks


Stephen
  • That must be one heck of a cable length to loose 400mA by capacitance? Can you guarantee that at least 400mA would always be lost (e.g. during a reduced voltage event)?


    I can't help thinking it would be simpler to locate a 100mA unit at the load end of the cable (perhaps in addition to the 500mA at the supply end if needed for ADS) - presumably selectivity between the wouldn't be a particular issue.

      - Andy.
  • Thanks Andy - that's worth a try.  I haven't actually measured the capacitance, I'm just inferring it from the earth leakage current.  I measured the insulation resistance with DC as open circuit, so I'm assuming it's an AC effect.  The cable is 2 runs about 300 M of very thick 3 phase each about 60mm CSA, so I expect that's why the capacitance is so high.


    Stephen
  • I think you will find there are capacitors inside the thyristor unit,  as in deliberate components with two legs each, probably in a desperate bid to meet EMC requirements.Which side of the controller is the RCD ?

    However, even so, 500j ohms of imbalance is a lot - 1uF is ~ 3K ohms a 50Hz and to suggest you have 6 uF more on one phase than the other two is not the sort of thing to be found in sub kilometer cable capacitnace. As a capacitor at mains voltage look for something the size of a small salt celler. example
    https://www.lampshoponline.com/6uf-capacitor.html


    Realise that if the capacitance to ground from all 3 phases is equal, the net leakage is zero, much like balanced resistive loads have no neutral current.

    So I'd be looking if something that should have been be 'neutralled' has been 'earthed' as a wire saving measure, perhaps an auxiliary supply for display or a cooling fan or  a similar c*** up.