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Smart Meter Advert.

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On page 16 of The Times today an advert features that school girl eco-warrior whose name escapes me. The advert says I WANT TO HELP FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE. I WANT A SMART METER. It says "Smart meters can't solve climate change on their own. But with the smarter, more efficient energy grid they help to create, they're a start". There is a circular logo which says "The campaign for a smarter Britain". I thought that I was reading Private Eye.


Z.
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    Greta Thunberg?


    Are you suggesting the smart grid is meant to be a government secret that only the likes of Ian Hislop take seriously?


      - Andy.

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    I'd like them to be more open and explain just how a smart meter can contribute to a more efficient energy grid in detail particularly concerning the consumer.

    Apart from the gubbins that shows red when you switch the kettle on and green when you switch it off, what else is it going to do that consumers will like and think to their advantage?

    I'm told most of the gubbins are chucked in a drawer after a month or two.
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    At the moment, they seem to be a complete waste of time; but when we get the smart grid, they will help us to choose the cheapest time to use our appliances. ?
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    Lebensborn....?

    Ride of the valkyries ......?

    Good grief... a frightful name....

    and SMET


    Legh

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    Chris Pearson:

    At the moment, they seem to be a complete waste of time; but when we get the smart grid, they will help us to choose the cheapest time to use our appliances. ?




    You mean that we really will have a choice Chris?


    Z.

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    Chris Pearson:

    At the moment, they seem to be a complete waste of time; but when we get the smart grid, they will help us to choose the cheapest time to use our appliances. ?



    In other words we will be restricted to certain times of the day or be charged a fortune and if that doesn't work to maintain the grid someone somewhere will be switched off.

    It is not quite the brave new world I was promised in the 1960s when a supposed "Mrs 1970" (it sounded so futuristic) would have every electrical gadget she wanted, working when she wanted it.
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    I still think that the idea of having appliances with a built in frequency sensor that will switch off the non-essential appliance should the grid frequency fall to say 49.9 Hz is good. This flies against the historic practice of maintaining 50 Hz no matter how much spinning reserve this requires. I like the concept that the grid would be permitted to fall slightly to trigger load shedding by appliances or heaters whose non functioning for say 15 mins would not make any real difference to our lives and when the peak demand passes (as it always does) the frequency rises and the appliances return to normal. I suspect that instead of all being set at 49.9 Hz there would be a small range to avoid a surge though! I've put 49.9 Hz simply as a number to illustrate, but suspect those with more knowledge will give a better example.

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    BOD
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    Chris Pearson:

    At the moment, they seem to be a complete waste of time; but when we get the smart grid, they will help us to choose the cheapest time to use our appliances. ?



    In other words we will be restricted to certain times of the day or be charged a fortune and if that doesn't work to maintain the grid someone somewhere will be switched off.

    It is not quite the brave new world I was promised in the 1960s when a supposed "Mrs 1970" (it sounded so futuristic) would have every electrical gadget she wanted, working when she wanted it.

     



    Back in the 1970’s we were told that electric usage would not be recorded by a meter we were told to expect to pay a connection fee then be able to use as much as we wanted to, just like a water supply that is not metered, because there would be a surplus of electric from nuclear plants.


    Andy B.
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    ""too cheap to meter" has rather gone the way of "the paperless office" we were promised when computers came in, along with cost effective fusion power being about 25 years away - and it has been all my life and still is.

    I'm not sure of the wisdom of using falling frequency as a proxy for overload if we are moving towards more inverter style generation, where if you want a load dependant frequency you need to program it in. Falling voltage might be more reliable.


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    perspicacious:

    I still think that the idea of having appliances with a built in frequency sensor that will switch off the non-essential appliance should the grid frequency fall to say 49.9 Hz is good. This flies against the historic practice of maintaining 50 Hz no matter how much spinning reserve this requires. I like the concept that the grid would be permitted to fall slightly to trigger load shedding by appliances or heaters whose non functioning for say 15 mins would not make any real difference to our lives and when the peak demand passes (as it always does) the frequency rises and the appliances return to normal. I suspect that instead of all being set at 49.9 Hz there would be a small range to avoid a surge though! I've put 49.9 Hz simply as a number to illustrate, but suspect those with more knowledge will give a better example.

    Regards

    BOD




    Maybe, if grid stability can be maintained. If enough stuff switches off at one frequency and back on at another, it may well lead to frequency instability due to generation ramping fighting load variation. There would need to sufficient damping in the system for that not to happen.

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