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"potentially dangerous" or improvement required re: missing covers on conduit inspection fittings

psychicwarrior
Taking in to account the guided definition of "potentially dangerous" and any IP rating compromise (and loss of mechanical protection):


If I proffered that missing covers/lids from a steel conduit inspection fittings was not worthy of being described as potentially dangerous, would you agree, or argue it was ?


Would you be persuaded one way or the other depending on the 'accessibility' factor ?


My take: if its out of the way from fingers etc, then i'd say not potentially dangerous. If it was readily accessible for touch/impact, then I would be thinking otherwise.


Reading back on some [I think] well known guidance regarding periodic inspections, there is a bit regarding where cable sheathing is not taken into an enclosure leaving the basic protected conductors exposed to touch; in some conditions it is considered as not "potentially dangerous" but only requiring "improvement" and from past threads this has provoked some interesting debate and opinions; is there a difference from these situations to the above missing lids question (or even indeed trunking lid missing or unused cable access holes in trunking) ?


Hope you are all keeping well and enjoying the 'new' forum ! :-)

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    As a personal opinion, and I can't see what you can, so it is still your judgement, to me, there are two tests.


    1) what is actually exposed - flex, basic insulated singles, choc bloc joints, some blob of a twist and tape horror ? from left to right more serious.


    2) is it credible that it can be dangerous ? - something that is within easy reach of small and wandering fingers or scissors and a sharp compass at a school or playgroup is far more serious than the same item 3m up the wall or on the ceiling of a warehouse, also consider if it can get wet or damaged, so outside or near some wet industial or agricultural process would be more of a problem than somewhere dry and indoors, regardless of if the occupants are sensible.


    So depending on what and where, this could be anything from "stop everyone working and make it safe right now" to "no action is really needed any time soon".

    As in many cases, professional judgement of the specific situation is needed.
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    As a personal opinion, and I can't see what you can, so it is still your judgement, to me, there are two tests.


    1) what is actually exposed - flex, basic insulated singles, choc bloc joints, some blob of a twist and tape horror ? from left to right more serious.


    2) is it credible that it can be dangerous ? - something that is within easy reach of small and wandering fingers or scissors and a sharp compass at a school or playgroup is far more serious than the same item 3m up the wall or on the ceiling of a warehouse, also consider if it can get wet or damaged, so outside or near some wet industial or agricultural process would be more of a problem than somewhere dry and indoors, regardless of if the occupants are sensible.


    So depending on what and where, this could be anything from "stop everyone working and make it safe right now" to "no action is really needed any time soon".

    As in many cases, professional judgement of the specific situation is needed.
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