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Mixed Wiring

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We have been invited to tender for the rewire of lighting and power to a government building.
The single compartment trunkings carry recently installed ELV cabling consisting of fire alarm and general alarm cabling. We have been asked to replace the existing LV singles.
Existing services to the ceilings means there is no capacity left to install new containment and would almost be impossible to install.
To install the LV wiring would depart from BS7671 528.1 / 515.2 / 528.3 along with BS5839 and BS8519
7671 states ‘Any intended departure from these Parts requires special consideration by the designer of the installation and shall be recorded on the appropriate electrical certification specified in Part 6. The resulting degree of safety of the installation shall be not less than that obtained by compliance with the Regulations.’
Since there is no design or intervention by any electrical consultants I would assume we become the designers simply by installing the cables into the trunkings and terminating into the various items of equipment.
As a result I wouldn’t say that the resulting degree of safety of the installation shall be not less than that obtained by compliance with the Regulations is met, as stated above.
Is just merely noting the departure on the EIC sufficient or should I be looking for some form of written agreement that the installation will not comply with current standards.

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    stevechrry:

     There is also the problem of removing and installing LV cabling without causing any damage.......




     

    Which is principally why BS 5839 requires segregation/separation - to stop people fiddling with non life safety systems from damaging life safety systems.


    Don't know what your appetite for risk is like, but I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole without an upfront recorded exchange during the tender period to clarify the issue.


    If you've been invited to tender, then send in a tender clarification letter raising this issue (be as blunt as you like) , and if necessary ask for a tender extension period


    Or just bang in a really big price with a further load of caveats attached and close the file - at least you'll have returned a compliant tender and kept yourself on the "list"


    Regards


    OMS





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    stevechrry:

     There is also the problem of removing and installing LV cabling without causing any damage.......




     

    Which is principally why BS 5839 requires segregation/separation - to stop people fiddling with non life safety systems from damaging life safety systems.


    Don't know what your appetite for risk is like, but I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole without an upfront recorded exchange during the tender period to clarify the issue.


    If you've been invited to tender, then send in a tender clarification letter raising this issue (be as blunt as you like) , and if necessary ask for a tender extension period


    Or just bang in a really big price with a further load of caveats attached and close the file - at least you'll have returned a compliant tender and kept yourself on the "list"


    Regards


    OMS





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