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Passing cables through joists

I know that this has been discussed in the old forum, but I have been pondering the subject over the past couple of days.


I am more than happy to respect the exclusion zones at the ends and in the middle of joists (Electrician's Guide to the Building Regulations); but it seems odd that cables which are passed through joists must go through notches in the zone between 0.07 - 0.25 times the span, and holes in the 0.25 - 0.40 zone.


In essence, despite the removal of a substantial amount of material, the upper joist in my diagram is acceptable, but the 16 mm hole in the lower one is not.

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It seems to me that any risk to the cable is much lower in holes than notches; and of course, if plumbers have already occupied the notch zone, there isn't much choice.


In order to remove and replace cablies descending to sockets below, I need to lift the second board in from the wall; but it would be a real PITA to have to lift another board (especially if tongue and groove) closer to the centre of the room particularly because there isn't much working space unless the furniture is removed.


I have no intention of placing holes below notches, but will the house fall down if I don't follow the Guide? ?
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  • Interesting comments above, none of which I would disagree with. I have not read the requirements but from my college days training as a mechanical engineer I would say that to minimise loss of strength in the joist any holes should be on the centreline (that is mid-way between the top and the bottom as opposed to half way between the ends) as the top and the bottom have all the tensile/compressive stresses. Similarly if there are any notches made  they should be at the ends of the joist rather than the middle as the greatest compressive stresses will be experienced at the mid-point, diminishing to zero at the ends. Also in order to minimise any loss of strength there must not be notches and holes at the same point along the joist.

    In order to regularise this it is easy to put rules in place to say "notches are allowed along this section of the joist" and "holes are allowed along this section of the joist" and to make sure nobody puts a hole and a notch at the same point make sure they don't overlap. Regardless of the rules, holes are better than notches for minimising loss of strength, but are not always the practical solution so it has to be accepted that some notches will be cut. If you make a hole in the section where they are supposedly not allowed, the joist will retain more strength than if you put a notch, but can you be sure that a plumber will not come along at a later date and put notches in the same place?

    Alasdair

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  • Interesting comments above, none of which I would disagree with. I have not read the requirements but from my college days training as a mechanical engineer I would say that to minimise loss of strength in the joist any holes should be on the centreline (that is mid-way between the top and the bottom as opposed to half way between the ends) as the top and the bottom have all the tensile/compressive stresses. Similarly if there are any notches made  they should be at the ends of the joist rather than the middle as the greatest compressive stresses will be experienced at the mid-point, diminishing to zero at the ends. Also in order to minimise any loss of strength there must not be notches and holes at the same point along the joist.

    In order to regularise this it is easy to put rules in place to say "notches are allowed along this section of the joist" and "holes are allowed along this section of the joist" and to make sure nobody puts a hole and a notch at the same point make sure they don't overlap. Regardless of the rules, holes are better than notches for minimising loss of strength, but are not always the practical solution so it has to be accepted that some notches will be cut. If you make a hole in the section where they are supposedly not allowed, the joist will retain more strength than if you put a notch, but can you be sure that a plumber will not come along at a later date and put notches in the same place?

    Alasdair

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