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Passing cables through joists

I know that this has been discussed in the old forum, but I have been pondering the subject over the past couple of days.


I am more than happy to respect the exclusion zones at the ends and in the middle of joists (Electrician's Guide to the Building Regulations); but it seems odd that cables which are passed through joists must go through notches in the zone between 0.07 - 0.25 times the span, and holes in the 0.25 - 0.40 zone.


In essence, despite the removal of a substantial amount of material, the upper joist in my diagram is acceptable, but the 16 mm hole in the lower one is not.

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It seems to me that any risk to the cable is much lower in holes than notches; and of course, if plumbers have already occupied the notch zone, there isn't much choice.


In order to remove and replace cablies descending to sockets below, I need to lift the second board in from the wall; but it would be a real PITA to have to lift another board (especially if tongue and groove) closer to the centre of the room particularly because there isn't much working space unless the furniture is removed.


I have no intention of placing holes below notches, but will the house fall down if I don't follow the Guide? ?
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  • Most of the problems I see with joists have been caused by idiots installing down lights.


    I have been into the loft of a recently built house and seen a section of the bottom chord of a roof truss that acts as the ceiling joists completely removed above the bathroom ceiling to allow a down light to be installed.


    I was actually in another house undertaking electrical work in the kitchen for a kitchen company and an “electrician” the customer knew from down the pub was installing down lights, to get one in he chewed away five inches of a seven inch floor joist with an auger in an electric drill, as he started I said something about altering the layout, but he assured me that it would be okay as it was.


    Both of those are actually structural damage to the customers homes caused by idiots, I have seen numerous other similar examples over the years. But, although I have seen some very badly placed holes and notches in joists that leave the cables at risk of being damaged I haven’t actually seen any that could really be described as structural damage.


    Andy Betteridge
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  • Most of the problems I see with joists have been caused by idiots installing down lights.


    I have been into the loft of a recently built house and seen a section of the bottom chord of a roof truss that acts as the ceiling joists completely removed above the bathroom ceiling to allow a down light to be installed.


    I was actually in another house undertaking electrical work in the kitchen for a kitchen company and an “electrician” the customer knew from down the pub was installing down lights, to get one in he chewed away five inches of a seven inch floor joist with an auger in an electric drill, as he started I said something about altering the layout, but he assured me that it would be okay as it was.


    Both of those are actually structural damage to the customers homes caused by idiots, I have seen numerous other similar examples over the years. But, although I have seen some very badly placed holes and notches in joists that leave the cables at risk of being damaged I haven’t actually seen any that could really be described as structural damage.


    Andy Betteridge
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