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Orange Alu Split Con

Hi All, 


As per the title I need a 25m ish length of 25mm Orange Alu split con, cant seem to get it from the cable suppliers unless I order to be manufactured with crazy minimum order quantities.


Cant use standard Split con as it’s PVC and I need LSF for an escape route, cable forming part of a BNO replacing a degraded cotton service.


It’s only manufactured in 25 & 35mm apparently, could use either but prefer 25mm.


Anyone with a short length?


Cheers


Martyn
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    I'll try again with the neutral insulation by cutting and pasting, so apologies if it doesn't copy well. Note the final comment............... Regards. BOD

     
    31 July 2007 09:55 AM
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    briandoherty


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    Mr P,


    I apologise in advance for the length of this post!


    I got the colour wrong in my previous "second-hand" quote regarding BS4553 (split concentric cables) ( I said "blue" instead of "black")!


    However, now I'm back in the office, I can confirm the actual wording in the standard is as follows (underline emphasis is mine):


    "BS4553-1:1998 Specification for 600 / 1 000 V single-phase split concentric electric cables - Part 1: Cables having PVC insulation...


    1 Scope

    This British Standard specifies requirements for construction and gives methods of test for PVC-insulated single-phase split concentric cables for operation on an earthed neutral system at nominal voltages up to and including 1 000 V between phases and 600 V to earth.

    The cables specified in this part of BS4553 have a central phase conductor insulated with PVC and a concentric layer comprising bare copper wires (earth continuity conductor) and copper wires covered with extruded polymer (neutral conductor)...


    6 Insulation

    The insulation shall be PVC compound type TI 1 conforming to BS 7655-3.1...


    9.1 Neutral conductor

    ...To distinguish the neutral conductor from earth continuity conductor, each wire shall be covered by extrusion with a black polymeric compound to a diameter approximately the same as that of the individual wires of the earth continuity conductor.


    9.4 Application of concentric layer

    ...The wires forming the neutral conductor and earth continuity conductor shall be applied in individual groups over the insulation or bedding with string separators.

    Either one or two string separator(s) shall be located on either side of the group of bare copper wires to separate it from the group of coverered wires.
    "


    Note that the covering of the neutral conductor is NOT described as, or required to be, INSULATION. It is there simply to ensure the neutral conductor is easily distinguishable from the earth continuity conductor. Unlike the INSULATION required on the phase conductor, which must comply with the relevant standard (BS 7655-3.1), there is no such requirement for the COVER on the neutral conductor.


    This is not to say that the material covering the neutral conductor will not pass an Insulation Resistance test, but just that it is technically NOT insulation; what would happen if it failed an IR test (neutral to earth) next week, next year, whatever...


    In fact, with regard to testing, BS 4553 states the following:


    "Annex F (normative)

    Insulation resistance test

    After completion of the voltage test given in 16.3, measure the insulation resistance between the central phase conductor and all the wires comprising the concentric layer, after applying a minimum voltage of 500 V d.c. for 1 min.
    "


    There is no requirement to test between neutral and earth, because on paper there is no "insulation" between them.


    I am aware that some specifications are written to overcome the lack of insulation on the neutral conductor of "standard" split concentric cable to BS 4553. For instance, here is an excerpt from one such specification (regarding street lighting supplies) (the underline emphasis is mine):


    "Split Concentric Cable


    Specific Requirements : Cable for electricity supply complying with BS 4553 (unless stated) and having a voltage rating of 600/1000V, and comprising;

    ...

    (d) Neutral Insulation - black PVC compound providing an Insulating layer. This PVC compound shall comply with type T11 of BS 6746. It shall be applied by an extrusion process and shall form a compact homogenous layer. The final conductor plus insulation diameter shall be approximately the same as that of the individual wires in the earth continuity conductors...

    Note : Subsection (d) above deviates from BS 4553.
    "


    So, unless you are using a non-standard split-concentric cable, the neutral conductor is NOT insulated.


    Brian

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    I'll try again with the neutral insulation by cutting and pasting, so apologies if it doesn't copy well. Note the final comment............... Regards. BOD

     
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    briandoherty


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    Mr P,


    I apologise in advance for the length of this post!


    I got the colour wrong in my previous "second-hand" quote regarding BS4553 (split concentric cables) ( I said "blue" instead of "black")!


    However, now I'm back in the office, I can confirm the actual wording in the standard is as follows (underline emphasis is mine):


    "BS4553-1:1998 Specification for 600 / 1 000 V single-phase split concentric electric cables - Part 1: Cables having PVC insulation...


    1 Scope

    This British Standard specifies requirements for construction and gives methods of test for PVC-insulated single-phase split concentric cables for operation on an earthed neutral system at nominal voltages up to and including 1 000 V between phases and 600 V to earth.

    The cables specified in this part of BS4553 have a central phase conductor insulated with PVC and a concentric layer comprising bare copper wires (earth continuity conductor) and copper wires covered with extruded polymer (neutral conductor)...


    6 Insulation

    The insulation shall be PVC compound type TI 1 conforming to BS 7655-3.1...


    9.1 Neutral conductor

    ...To distinguish the neutral conductor from earth continuity conductor, each wire shall be covered by extrusion with a black polymeric compound to a diameter approximately the same as that of the individual wires of the earth continuity conductor.


    9.4 Application of concentric layer

    ...The wires forming the neutral conductor and earth continuity conductor shall be applied in individual groups over the insulation or bedding with string separators.

    Either one or two string separator(s) shall be located on either side of the group of bare copper wires to separate it from the group of coverered wires.
    "


    Note that the covering of the neutral conductor is NOT described as, or required to be, INSULATION. It is there simply to ensure the neutral conductor is easily distinguishable from the earth continuity conductor. Unlike the INSULATION required on the phase conductor, which must comply with the relevant standard (BS 7655-3.1), there is no such requirement for the COVER on the neutral conductor.


    This is not to say that the material covering the neutral conductor will not pass an Insulation Resistance test, but just that it is technically NOT insulation; what would happen if it failed an IR test (neutral to earth) next week, next year, whatever...


    In fact, with regard to testing, BS 4553 states the following:


    "Annex F (normative)

    Insulation resistance test

    After completion of the voltage test given in 16.3, measure the insulation resistance between the central phase conductor and all the wires comprising the concentric layer, after applying a minimum voltage of 500 V d.c. for 1 min.
    "


    There is no requirement to test between neutral and earth, because on paper there is no "insulation" between them.


    I am aware that some specifications are written to overcome the lack of insulation on the neutral conductor of "standard" split concentric cable to BS 4553. For instance, here is an excerpt from one such specification (regarding street lighting supplies) (the underline emphasis is mine):


    "Split Concentric Cable


    Specific Requirements : Cable for electricity supply complying with BS 4553 (unless stated) and having a voltage rating of 600/1000V, and comprising;

    ...

    (d) Neutral Insulation - black PVC compound providing an Insulating layer. This PVC compound shall comply with type T11 of BS 6746. It shall be applied by an extrusion process and shall form a compact homogenous layer. The final conductor plus insulation diameter shall be approximately the same as that of the individual wires in the earth continuity conductors...

    Note : Subsection (d) above deviates from BS 4553.
    "


    So, unless you are using a non-standard split-concentric cable, the neutral conductor is NOT insulated.


    Brian

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