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Socket 1.5m from bath but outside bathroom

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On a periodic inspection I have given a code 2 to a socket that is in a hallway opposite a bathroom door with the edge of the bath 300mm from the door. In fact you can even touch both at the same time.

My supervisor has said that it is not in the location so it's not required to be at least 3m away.

I disagree with this for two reasons.

1) The principle of the 3m distance is to reduce the chance of someone plugging in something that can be used while in the bath or shower, e.g. a TV balanced on the edge of a bath. Therefore, it does not make a difference if the socket was in a bathroom less than 3m away from the bath or outside the bathroom less than 3m away.

2) The definition of "location" in section 701. This can mean different things depending on context. E.g. Shot on location in Egypt can mean the whole of Egypt. Insert pin in correct location means a specific point. I have read a discussion on this forum where the definition was described as only being within the zones but this was disputed. 

I always took it to mean "room" but then why does is not say room. Because of this issue with the 3m I then decided that "location" must be more general and include the areas outside the "room" that are effected by this reg. 

However, looking at reg 701,1 it seems to be more specific. To quote "...locations containing a bath... AND to the surrounding zones".

According to that statement the "zones" are surrounding the "location". Therefore the location must be the actual position of the bath or shower. Not the room it's in. Not the area around the zones. Not the area up to what is effected by the 3m reg.

Therefore, the 3m to sockets reg should still count as being "anywhere" irrespective or the definition of "location".


What are your views?
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  • mapj1


    You had posted before I had finished writing my last reply so I didn't read it until then.

    I get what you are saying. 

    To keep the population in check we must electrocute a small percentage of the population. Relaxed

    Seriously though, isn't even one electrocution per year in the bathroom enough for the IEE to take some sort of precautionary action within the regs. When the report of a politician's daughter was electrocuted in the kitchen when knocking a nail into the kitchen wall to hang up a dish rack (or something) got the IEE to start changing regs to include RCD protection for cables in wall less then 50mm etc, would this not be on the same par?

    Like I say, joking aside, I get what your saying about the statistics. It's just that it doesn't sit right with me having a socket dead opposite the bathroom door. Mind you, with the requirement or RCD or RCBO protection on all sockets I suppose the code 2 can be code 3 instead.

    But like everyone is saying, if you take location as being only meaning the room itself than it's no code. 

    This is also a matter of protecting myself from liability if someone were to get electrocuted after my doing a periodic and producing a Condition Report that has no mention of that socket.
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  • mapj1


    You had posted before I had finished writing my last reply so I didn't read it until then.

    I get what you are saying. 

    To keep the population in check we must electrocute a small percentage of the population. Relaxed

    Seriously though, isn't even one electrocution per year in the bathroom enough for the IEE to take some sort of precautionary action within the regs. When the report of a politician's daughter was electrocuted in the kitchen when knocking a nail into the kitchen wall to hang up a dish rack (or something) got the IEE to start changing regs to include RCD protection for cables in wall less then 50mm etc, would this not be on the same par?

    Like I say, joking aside, I get what your saying about the statistics. It's just that it doesn't sit right with me having a socket dead opposite the bathroom door. Mind you, with the requirement or RCD or RCBO protection on all sockets I suppose the code 2 can be code 3 instead.

    But like everyone is saying, if you take location as being only meaning the room itself than it's no code. 

    This is also a matter of protecting myself from liability if someone were to get electrocuted after my doing a periodic and producing a Condition Report that has no mention of that socket.
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