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Socket 1.5m from bath but outside bathroom

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On a periodic inspection I have given a code 2 to a socket that is in a hallway opposite a bathroom door with the edge of the bath 300mm from the door. In fact you can even touch both at the same time.

My supervisor has said that it is not in the location so it's not required to be at least 3m away.

I disagree with this for two reasons.

1) The principle of the 3m distance is to reduce the chance of someone plugging in something that can be used while in the bath or shower, e.g. a TV balanced on the edge of a bath. Therefore, it does not make a difference if the socket was in a bathroom less than 3m away from the bath or outside the bathroom less than 3m away.

2) The definition of "location" in section 701. This can mean different things depending on context. E.g. Shot on location in Egypt can mean the whole of Egypt. Insert pin in correct location means a specific point. I have read a discussion on this forum where the definition was described as only being within the zones but this was disputed. 

I always took it to mean "room" but then why does is not say room. Because of this issue with the 3m I then decided that "location" must be more general and include the areas outside the "room" that are effected by this reg. 

However, looking at reg 701,1 it seems to be more specific. To quote "...locations containing a bath... AND to the surrounding zones".

According to that statement the "zones" are surrounding the "location". Therefore the location must be the actual position of the bath or shower. Not the room it's in. Not the area around the zones. Not the area up to what is effected by the 3m reg.

Therefore, the 3m to sockets reg should still count as being "anywhere" irrespective or the definition of "location".


What are your views?
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  • Interesting point from sparkymania and one that I would have hitherto disagreed with. 701.32.1 allows the zones to be limited by walls, widows and doors where this can be effectively demonstrated. So the danger envisaged in the setting of the limit is definitely compromised by the bathroom door being open. When in the house on my own, I sometimes have a soak with the bathroom door open so that I can listen to a wee bit of Joe Dolan on the stereo system. I will be so much less relaxed now as the single socket I personally installed in the hall immediately outside the bathroom door is clearly potentially dangerous!

    Anyway, your point is well made Sparky and if I was responsible for a design now, I think that I would endeavour to have the socket located at least 3m from zone 1 irrespective of a door.

    Lisa, can you ensure that your moderator rules are strictly applied on any snide comments made about Joe Dolan?
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  • Interesting point from sparkymania and one that I would have hitherto disagreed with. 701.32.1 allows the zones to be limited by walls, widows and doors where this can be effectively demonstrated. So the danger envisaged in the setting of the limit is definitely compromised by the bathroom door being open. When in the house on my own, I sometimes have a soak with the bathroom door open so that I can listen to a wee bit of Joe Dolan on the stereo system. I will be so much less relaxed now as the single socket I personally installed in the hall immediately outside the bathroom door is clearly potentially dangerous!

    Anyway, your point is well made Sparky and if I was responsible for a design now, I think that I would endeavour to have the socket located at least 3m from zone 1 irrespective of a door.

    Lisa, can you ensure that your moderator rules are strictly applied on any snide comments made about Joe Dolan?
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