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Electrical Vehicle Charging Points - True earth on solid floor

Good afternoon.

The problem with EVC Points in a few words is that it introduces the PME (the MET in reality) voltage on the metallic car body. Then, if someone touches the car (under PME voltage) and stands on the ground touching the TRUE EARTH potential he will be introduced to a high voltage in case of an open PEN incidence. 

There are some gross guidlines ( https://www.electricvehiclechargepoint.com/ev-resources/earthing )that say

-If the EVC is outside then TT is needed (the person touches the true earth)

-If the EVC is inside and no charging happens on the outside then PME can be used (the person does not touch the true earth)

Then my question is:
WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL OF A CONRETE FLOOR IF THE EVC POINT IS INSIDE THE BUILDING????

Why do we assume that the concrete floor inside the building is on PME potential and so the EVC can be on PME?

If it is a metal building then I can see somehow that the concrete floor is in touch with the metal skeleton which is bonded to the MET so the concrete floor could be assumed to be on PME potential (correct me please if I am wrong)

If the building is concrete, how on earth this solid concrete floor is considered to be at PME potential????

 


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  • You are of course quite right - and such things do occur - one of the symptoms of a failing PEN is tingles from domestic appliances, as well as dimming or over-brighteing of lights which tends to make people more wary, and such things do normally get reported and fixed smartish..

    There is an argument that a house floor is likely to be (but only most of the time) drier, and more likely to have a DPC or even an insulating coat of lino or carpet than a garage or car park. As such the floor is indeed at true terra-firma earth voltage, but via a high resistance, so even padding about the house in pyjamas and bare feet at bed time,  the shock current is still at least limited. And this is where the arguments about earthing of radiators and kitchen sinks, and what to, start to matter. A gas cooker may be well earthed to true earth via a metal gas pipe (it may not be if it is on a hose, but not all are intended to connect that way) , and gas boiler almost certainly is So should we bond the sink to PME earth, or leave it floating? This is one of those questions that is far from clear cut, and the advice to bond the incoming metallic services is an attempt to make sure it all moves as one.

    There will always be  cases that are not ideal, outside taps, outside lights and power often mean the PME earth is exposed to touch outdoors, but the risk of this is lower than the risk of not earthing at all, PME faults are quite rare, and normally fixed quickly. It is worth remembering that there are not large numbers of lifeless bodies slumped under the PME supplied metal street lamps and bus stopsevery morning, and the few that are are far more likely to do with late night drinking. (which from an electrical point of view is just as well)
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  • You are of course quite right - and such things do occur - one of the symptoms of a failing PEN is tingles from domestic appliances, as well as dimming or over-brighteing of lights which tends to make people more wary, and such things do normally get reported and fixed smartish..

    There is an argument that a house floor is likely to be (but only most of the time) drier, and more likely to have a DPC or even an insulating coat of lino or carpet than a garage or car park. As such the floor is indeed at true terra-firma earth voltage, but via a high resistance, so even padding about the house in pyjamas and bare feet at bed time,  the shock current is still at least limited. And this is where the arguments about earthing of radiators and kitchen sinks, and what to, start to matter. A gas cooker may be well earthed to true earth via a metal gas pipe (it may not be if it is on a hose, but not all are intended to connect that way) , and gas boiler almost certainly is So should we bond the sink to PME earth, or leave it floating? This is one of those questions that is far from clear cut, and the advice to bond the incoming metallic services is an attempt to make sure it all moves as one.

    There will always be  cases that are not ideal, outside taps, outside lights and power often mean the PME earth is exposed to touch outdoors, but the risk of this is lower than the risk of not earthing at all, PME faults are quite rare, and normally fixed quickly. It is worth remembering that there are not large numbers of lifeless bodies slumped under the PME supplied metal street lamps and bus stopsevery morning, and the few that are are far more likely to do with late night drinking. (which from an electrical point of view is just as well)
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