Can’t work in Ireland

What is an example of a level 6 qualification? Indeed, what is one for level 5? HNC? HND? Degree?

Never heard of level 6.

Then again, I have no idea what stuff is called these days. I went from the old C&G 200 series in the late 70s, to 2391 back in 2002 and stopped there.

I was going to do the old 2400 at the same time but it got changed, broken down into more then one part, then done away with and lost.

No idea if it has been rehashed in some form or other.

I also stopped at the 16th Ed C & G.

At the age of 60 I now go to books covering regs updates rather than continuously sit endless courses.

It's an EU thing.

Map here.

Better if we had an IREXIT then!

It is not an “EU thing” if left to the EU the grading would be the same across the EU.


This is an example of each country doing things differently, so the gradings are scored differently in different countries.


Welcome to 2020. Though the grading required for installing meters in Ireland still seems high.


Andy Betteridge

It looks like the standard advanced craft electrician qualification in Ireland is a level 6 on their own scale which maps to a level 5 on the European Qualification Framework but our NVQ level 3 falls well short of that.

Now there’s a surprise.


I gained with  the City and Guilds Construction Technicians certificate back in the 1970’s, I was told when the NVQs were first introduced I could pay for two interviews at the local tech college and I could be issued with a level four NVQ certificate, which I never got around to doing, so I don’t know how they would be graded now, at the time it was equivalent to an OND, just to add to the confusion ?


Later on I gained the C&G Design, Erection and Verification of Electrical Installations qualification which was awarded at level three, but since then the course has been upgraded to a level four.


So in theory I have a qualifications to level four, but in practice they would probably both be graded as three.


In England, Wales and Northern Ireland I am qualified to QCF 3, which the EU place as EQF 4, but in Eire is it to NQF 5.


All of this will have to be sorted out when people from the EU apply for UK work permits and vice versa when people from the UK want to work in EU countries such as Eire.


Andy Betteridge 

"All of this will have to be sorted out when people from the EU apply for UK work permits and vice versa when people from the UK want to work in EU countries such as Eire.


Andy Betteridge  "


We hope (Jobsworth & Co Ltd might snooker it though)

Leaving the EU will end free movement and ensure full control of the border. A new single immigration system has been designed based on skills and talent.

Gov.uk


Skills and talents will have to be specified to ensure compliance and will presumably work both ways.


Andy Betteridge

However, the CTA (common Travel Area) which preceded and was never replaced by EU integration remains.

So any UK, Irish citizen may freely travel (and not technically be challenged for proof of ID.. bit if a catch-22 that) between UK and Ireland. Each is also considered to be fully settled (have right to remain) and work in either country the instant they set foot in the other country. The NI and other benefit arrangements are also linked.


it is only the regulations etc that appear to be different.


irish site:
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_abroad/freedom_of_movement_within_the_eu/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html


Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area


UK Site
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance

LOL.


I have been challenged and searched along with our car in the shed on the harbour side in Douglas on the Isle of Man and had to empty the car out which also had my wife and two daughters in it, as well as being challenged at the airports in England and the IOM when flying. Now I presume that was for security rather than because I was entering or leaving the European Union, which I was, but the IOM is roughly in the middle of the Irish Sea, roughly where the new border will be between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK so potentially everyone will be stopped and possibly searched somewhere across that stretch of water, but we have to wait will see what happens after the end of this year regards who gets stopped and where, but it will be somewhere between Eire and the UK with NI being left as piggy in the middle.


So to get back to the original post the electricians in Eire have different qualifications which are graded differently as well, they also work to a different set of regulations and also use different materials and installation methods, they will also be in the EU unlike England and Wales, so I guess electricians from England and Wales won't just be able to catch a boat or fly over to work in Eire without a work permit and assessments of their skills, knowledge and qualifications. The guys in NI will probably have to jump through a few hoops as well to work down south, at the very least I would expect that they would have to get a qualification to show they understand the requirements of the Eire electrical regulations as should guys from England and Wales.


That seems quite fair.


Who knows what will happen with the Scots, but they have different requirements for those undertaking electrical work anyway.


And you should not go to work in the Isle of Man as an electrician without a work permit now, before any the Brexit stuff actually starts after the end of this year.  https://www.gov.im/categories/working-in-the-isle-of-man/work-permits/who-needs-a-work-permit/


Andy B.