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Neutral Earth connection

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Interrogating an issue with a substation set up - The substation is a split one with two 11Kv to 400v cast resin transformers that supply each substation half. The set up incorporates back up generators that kick in on a power cut, I noticed that we have a UPS system installed that takes two supplies from the substation, one from each half. either one is on and the other supply stays as backup to the UPS system. What was picked up is that when there is a power cut and until the power is restored there is a load shed that disconnects the supply to the UPS. This UPS remains on feeding 400v three phase to the site, but the earth neutral connection is lost until one of the supply breakers closes back up again. means that the output is not referenced to earth for a few minutes till the gens spin up. I believe that through checking manuals and reading up this isnt a good scenario to be in in terms of sensitive equipment. 


I would be looking at providing a transformer in there along with a local earth neutral link so that this is maintained on all eventualities. has anyone come up with this sort of issue before ? it could also be addressed through neutral earth contactors at the appropriate places, Had looked at possible three pole devices on circuit breakers but that does not allow full isolation to be achieved and could also lead to possible paralleling of the neutral earth link at each transformer.
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    Yes looking into this further, it is not a good situation at all. The substation is as said a split substation - there is an automatic bus coupler between the two LV sections. The primary feed comes from an 11kv to 400v transformer, one transformer per side. Its been configured to run with both tansformers closed and the bus coupler open. should there be an outage on the HV side the couplers close and either side of the substation remains powered from the live transformer. 


    If the mains is lost totally then all the output circuit breakers on the substation open, the remote generators start up and the HV from the generators is supplied to the substations through the existing network. However when the HV fails the main incomer circuit breakers also open and this removes the neutral earth link as this is located on the transformer, precisely for the reason quoted, should there be no earth reference there then there is a case that the transformer secondary voltages could trouble the insulation of the LV wiring. 

    Proposal is to use neutral earth contactors on the substation bus to ensure that the neutral remains earthed when the incoming circuit breakers are open. Also in addition to this a neutral earth contactor is included on the UPS input switchboard so that if the supplies to the UPS input switchboard are opened then the neutral will remain referenced to earth. The supply is designed and operated as a TN-S system so that should be maintained. The site is a hospital and the UPS supply is used to support critical equipment so this needs to be kept as stable as it can be. There is further work required as some other issues have been identified with the system, The UPS supply although has two independent feeds these feeds pass through the UPS input switchboard which will then in effect be a single point of failure. Some way to automatically ensure that there can not be a supply loss will be required. There may be a way of doing this and also looking at use of a transformer to provide galvanic isolation between the UPS and supply so a local earth point could be utilised. Looking at data centers it may be worth adopting what they use for critical data and employ an additional UPS along with the relevant static switchers to ensure no break supplies to the super critical loads.


    With UPS units and circuit breakers it becomes a mine field to try and ensure that the supply is maintained and remains within its design parameters, especially when the UPS system is used to fully support the Isolated Power Supply IPS systems on site.
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    Yes looking into this further, it is not a good situation at all. The substation is as said a split substation - there is an automatic bus coupler between the two LV sections. The primary feed comes from an 11kv to 400v transformer, one transformer per side. Its been configured to run with both tansformers closed and the bus coupler open. should there be an outage on the HV side the couplers close and either side of the substation remains powered from the live transformer. 


    If the mains is lost totally then all the output circuit breakers on the substation open, the remote generators start up and the HV from the generators is supplied to the substations through the existing network. However when the HV fails the main incomer circuit breakers also open and this removes the neutral earth link as this is located on the transformer, precisely for the reason quoted, should there be no earth reference there then there is a case that the transformer secondary voltages could trouble the insulation of the LV wiring. 

    Proposal is to use neutral earth contactors on the substation bus to ensure that the neutral remains earthed when the incoming circuit breakers are open. Also in addition to this a neutral earth contactor is included on the UPS input switchboard so that if the supplies to the UPS input switchboard are opened then the neutral will remain referenced to earth. The supply is designed and operated as a TN-S system so that should be maintained. The site is a hospital and the UPS supply is used to support critical equipment so this needs to be kept as stable as it can be. There is further work required as some other issues have been identified with the system, The UPS supply although has two independent feeds these feeds pass through the UPS input switchboard which will then in effect be a single point of failure. Some way to automatically ensure that there can not be a supply loss will be required. There may be a way of doing this and also looking at use of a transformer to provide galvanic isolation between the UPS and supply so a local earth point could be utilised. Looking at data centers it may be worth adopting what they use for critical data and employ an additional UPS along with the relevant static switchers to ensure no break supplies to the super critical loads.


    With UPS units and circuit breakers it becomes a mine field to try and ensure that the supply is maintained and remains within its design parameters, especially when the UPS system is used to fully support the Isolated Power Supply IPS systems on site.
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