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Neutral Earth connection

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Interrogating an issue with a substation set up - The substation is a split one with two 11Kv to 400v cast resin transformers that supply each substation half. The set up incorporates back up generators that kick in on a power cut, I noticed that we have a UPS system installed that takes two supplies from the substation, one from each half. either one is on and the other supply stays as backup to the UPS system. What was picked up is that when there is a power cut and until the power is restored there is a load shed that disconnects the supply to the UPS. This UPS remains on feeding 400v three phase to the site, but the earth neutral connection is lost until one of the supply breakers closes back up again. means that the output is not referenced to earth for a few minutes till the gens spin up. I believe that through checking manuals and reading up this isnt a good scenario to be in in terms of sensitive equipment. 


I would be looking at providing a transformer in there along with a local earth neutral link so that this is maintained on all eventualities. has anyone come up with this sort of issue before ? it could also be addressed through neutral earth contactors at the appropriate places, Had looked at possible three pole devices on circuit breakers but that does not allow full isolation to be achieved and could also lead to possible paralleling of the neutral earth link at each transformer.
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    Surely the simple fix is to reconfigure the tele-control to trip all outgoing ACB's on loss of mains, but leave the switchboard input breakers closed, then reclose the output ACB's once you are stable on the HV generation (there won't be load on the HV as the output ACB's are open)


    That solves the shorter term problem  - then all you need to do is confirm the bus section is 4 pole and you can refit the N-E from the TX spill box to the switchboard (one half at a time) and swap out the 4P ACB's for 3P


    That may well be a lot easier than retrofitting N-E contactors into an existing switchboard.


    It sounds like a pretty normal dual fed system with HV generation - generally well executed, but flawed in your case by the introduction of 4P ACB's on the incommers.


    As an aside - what's protecting the transformer unloading tails into the switchboard - or are you close coupled (ie Transformer switchboard)


    Two feeds via the UPS bypass switchboard isn't that unusual if the board has a reasonable form of separation - it's not credible to lose both on single fault


    I'm guessing this is Healthcare facility so ideally you should have duplicate A and B UPS anyway to feed into the duplicate IPS systems (HTM 06-01 will give you a good indication of what you are trying to achieve).


    Like Mike - I would absolutely try to avoid solving this with N-E contactors (or mashing an MCCB to act as same), in favour of solving the N-E bonds at the switchboard and eliminating the 4P devices. Without knowing what ACB's you have, it's not that easy to say, but it's entirely possible you have a bit of minor copper reworking and have a 3P plug straight in (from the same range)


    Regards


    OMS
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    Surely the simple fix is to reconfigure the tele-control to trip all outgoing ACB's on loss of mains, but leave the switchboard input breakers closed, then reclose the output ACB's once you are stable on the HV generation (there won't be load on the HV as the output ACB's are open)


    That solves the shorter term problem  - then all you need to do is confirm the bus section is 4 pole and you can refit the N-E from the TX spill box to the switchboard (one half at a time) and swap out the 4P ACB's for 3P


    That may well be a lot easier than retrofitting N-E contactors into an existing switchboard.


    It sounds like a pretty normal dual fed system with HV generation - generally well executed, but flawed in your case by the introduction of 4P ACB's on the incommers.


    As an aside - what's protecting the transformer unloading tails into the switchboard - or are you close coupled (ie Transformer switchboard)


    Two feeds via the UPS bypass switchboard isn't that unusual if the board has a reasonable form of separation - it's not credible to lose both on single fault


    I'm guessing this is Healthcare facility so ideally you should have duplicate A and B UPS anyway to feed into the duplicate IPS systems (HTM 06-01 will give you a good indication of what you are trying to achieve).


    Like Mike - I would absolutely try to avoid solving this with N-E contactors (or mashing an MCCB to act as same), in favour of solving the N-E bonds at the switchboard and eliminating the 4P devices. Without knowing what ACB's you have, it's not that easy to say, but it's entirely possible you have a bit of minor copper reworking and have a 3P plug straight in (from the same range)


    Regards


    OMS
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