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Power to the "working" People.

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Nationalisation is imminent if........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7770357/Labours-plan-workers-boards-power-firms-nationalised.html


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    I remember pay controls in the 70s. The firm I worked for was not allowed to pay me more so I got anther job. To replace me they had to pay more to my replacement than I was getting on my new job!


    The more I see of politicians the more I feel, with few exceptions, we are the lions being lead by donkeys.


    Edit: I should also have said I worked in companies where there were separate canteens for: hourly paid workers (you paid a deposit for the knives and forks) , weekly paid staff (foremen), Monthly paid staff (you paid your bill at the end of the week) and a restaurant for the directors. The MD of the factory I was in would organise the strikes when production was ahead of schedule, he ran the most cost effective factory in the group. I did work for one group with even more canteens/resturants but I cannot remember all the categorisations.
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    I enjoyed the stratified dining rooms story. Perhaps my values and sense of humour were influenced by the satirists of the 1960s , who debunked class stratification and made this sort of thing seem absurd and outdated.  Those who have seen military service will recognise the traditional mess system, which also applies to dependants in accommodation.  


    I weary of “bar stool rants” about the party leaders , led mainly by newspaper commentators. I have never met either leader, although I  think that I understand partly what drives them. It seems to me that one is an ambitious, extrovert “glory hunter” and the other something of a “thought leader”.  One is “clever”, witty and charming, a product of Eton and Oxford, the other was just about the only left-wing thinker in his Grammar School , who would have probably been a good engineer (like his father and brother) if he hadn’t gone for politics.  A serious article in supposed serious newspaper, that I have read for years, published an article rubbishing his A level results. Apparently he only passed two and failed a third?  There are also people in our profession with that frame of reference, so woe betide those of you who failed a school exam.


    Good leadership in business or anywhere else is the art of finding common purpose and maximising the contribution of different types of people.           


    After the first world war, when working class people had rallied instinctively to the flag to fight in a disagreement not of their making, those that returned from the trenches, found little change to their lives. In many rural areas, such as where JC grew up, they were still dominated by the local landowners and many scratched a perilous existence living in tied cottages. Bitter “lions led by donkeys” attitudes and radical socialist ideas inevitably gained ground.  So having heeded the call again, by 1945 “returning heroes” demanded change.  


    What we have now is arguably a 1945 election, but without the momentous backdrop of those times. So I suppose the question is; do we need the 1945 solution that we chose then?


    To equate Brexit to a “war” is clearly a very great exaggeration and even arguably disrespectful to lives that were lost.  But I see parallels, the flag has been waved (including the saltire) and many people, including me, are instinctively loyal towards a sense of national identity. However, the situation isn’t so simplistic, with very many people having a complex patchwork of identities or loyalties and almost half (of the UK) seeing little useful purpose in this “war”.  If all ends well in an economic sense, then things will hopefully move on and common purpose may be restored. If it doesn’t go well?  

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    Military messes: one for the junior ratings, one for the seniors, and one for the officers. However, in transit accommodation, and during "action messing" we all coped perfectly well in the juniors' canteen. ?
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    Now, if those in government could be paid a working man's wage.with basic perks, monitored by their constituents. That may attract candidates more representative of the population: at present, parties are too interested in upholding their party's cause, their salary status with annual increases above inflation, and not the cause of the country or their constituents. (Now look who's politicking?) Relaxed


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    Jaymack:

    Now, if those in government could be paid a working man's wage.with basic perks, monitored by their constituents. That may attract candidates more representative of the population: at present, parties are too interested in upholding their party's cause, their salary status with annual increases above inflation, and not the cause of the country or their constituents. (Now look who's politicking?) Relaxed




    Would you be a sparks in central London for just under £80k? You don't go into politics to make money, but you may make money to go into politics.

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