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Extra Low Voltage (ELV)

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Guys,


BS7671:2018 is classing cables extra low voltage (ELV) as an operating voltage not exceeding 50Vac or 120V ripple-free dc.


BS7671 goes on to further
categorize ELV cables into SELV, PELV, FELV.


For single core green/yellow insulated equipotential bonding cables lets say originating from an earth bar and bonding some structural steel work, are these classed as FELV under BS7671:2018 ?
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    gkenyon:




    Mike M:



    The conclusion that we had arrived at was that was with nominal voltage being defined as voltage by which or part of an installation is designated we would have to say that the equipotential bonding cables do not form part of a system that has a designated voltage and therefore are not ELV or LV



    I don't agree with your conclusion under all circumstances.


    If the cable is correctly connected at BOTH ends then it can definitely be classed as having Earth potential, and there's not always a need to even insulate it. Protective conductors do not always require insulation.


    HOWEVER, if one end is disconnected for whatever reason, then a hazardous condition may be prevalent.


    So, as I have previously intimated, it depends why you are asking the question. There are two cases in particular which must be highlighted:


    1. For electrical and electronic system maintenance activities, protective conductors and functional earthing conductors may have to be treated like live LV conductors when they are disconnected at one end.

    • Also common is the case where a screen, armour, etc., is connected to one earthing system at one end, and the other end is presented at part of an installation with a different earthing system. Again, we need to treat that protective conductor or functional earthing/bonding conductor in the case of a screen, at the very least in the same manner as a live conductor - gapping and insulating against contact.



    I apologise for having to restate this point, but it's very important if someone is reading this thread because they are assessing risks for certain work activities.


     




    Point taken gkenyon. Common practice on any site I have worked on to ground any spare extraneous conductors to earth, seen this happen when cables are pulled in that have spare cores that are not required for example:


    110Vdc ungrounded distribution system - 3 core cables pulled in (brown,blue,green/yellow) colored cores as was on short lead time. As this was an ungrounded 110Vdc system the green/yellow core was spare so it has to be grounded.


    400V motor power supply - 5 core cable pulled in (brown,black,grey,blue,green/yellow) colored cores. Motor did not need neutral so blue core was spare so it has to be grounded.


    Note in the above 2 examples the design engineers only wanted the spare cores to be grounded one end, this was to prevent circulating currents developing. Insulating heat shrink is then applied to the other end of the spare core.  


    I never leave spare conductors ungrounded, but more often than not will only ground them at one end to prevent circulating currents developing. Often the designer might want fault current to flow in a particular direction also so to ensure this happens they ground at one end.

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    gkenyon:




    Mike M:



    The conclusion that we had arrived at was that was with nominal voltage being defined as voltage by which or part of an installation is designated we would have to say that the equipotential bonding cables do not form part of a system that has a designated voltage and therefore are not ELV or LV



    I don't agree with your conclusion under all circumstances.


    If the cable is correctly connected at BOTH ends then it can definitely be classed as having Earth potential, and there's not always a need to even insulate it. Protective conductors do not always require insulation.


    HOWEVER, if one end is disconnected for whatever reason, then a hazardous condition may be prevalent.


    So, as I have previously intimated, it depends why you are asking the question. There are two cases in particular which must be highlighted:


    1. For electrical and electronic system maintenance activities, protective conductors and functional earthing conductors may have to be treated like live LV conductors when they are disconnected at one end.

    • Also common is the case where a screen, armour, etc., is connected to one earthing system at one end, and the other end is presented at part of an installation with a different earthing system. Again, we need to treat that protective conductor or functional earthing/bonding conductor in the case of a screen, at the very least in the same manner as a live conductor - gapping and insulating against contact.



    I apologise for having to restate this point, but it's very important if someone is reading this thread because they are assessing risks for certain work activities.


     




    Point taken gkenyon. Common practice on any site I have worked on to ground any spare extraneous conductors to earth, seen this happen when cables are pulled in that have spare cores that are not required for example:


    110Vdc ungrounded distribution system - 3 core cables pulled in (brown,blue,green/yellow) colored cores as was on short lead time. As this was an ungrounded 110Vdc system the green/yellow core was spare so it has to be grounded.


    400V motor power supply - 5 core cable pulled in (brown,black,grey,blue,green/yellow) colored cores. Motor did not need neutral so blue core was spare so it has to be grounded.


    Note in the above 2 examples the design engineers only wanted the spare cores to be grounded one end, this was to prevent circulating currents developing. Insulating heat shrink is then applied to the other end of the spare core.  


    I never leave spare conductors ungrounded, but more often than not will only ground them at one end to prevent circulating currents developing. Often the designer might want fault current to flow in a particular direction also so to ensure this happens they ground at one end.

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