This discussion is locked.
You cannot post a reply to this discussion. If you have a question start a new discussion

Electric boilers - effect on power demand of a block of flats

Hello there.


I would like to  know if anyone on the forum has done a study of or knows about an existing study of the impact on power demand of introducing electric boilers to block of flats. 


I have been tasked with estimating the impact of a gradual migration to electric boilers for central and water heating in a modern block of flats. Nearly all of the flats currently use gas fired combi boilers.


I then have to present this information to UK Power Networks so that they can asses whether or not an increase in capacity to the building supply might be needed in future.  Finally I need to put any recommendations to the owners' management board.


Clearly electric boilers will have some impact on power demand.


I can start with an estimate of current power demand (worst case) for a typical flat.  To that end, I'll be doing a survey of about 25% of the flats to come up with a figure.


I can then apply the IET Electrical Installation Design Guide diversity calculations for a typical flat and then the building as a whole using figure 3.4 (IET Electrical Design Guide Nov 2008 page 33).


I can then do a second power consumption exercise adding the demand of a typical electric boiler per flat and then the whole building.


However, it's not clear to me if this approach will be suitable for a massive migration to electric boilers.  I need to be sure of my ground if I approach UK Power Networks with a demand figure.


If we look at the usual peak use of heating demand (morning and evening) a building full of electric boilers, to me, could add a significant load to existing street fuses and possibly even cable capacity.


I would be grateful for any suggestions and experience people could bring.


Kind regards


donf










Parents

  • Also while better insulated housing will help, I reckon 3/4 of the  buildings we will inhabit by 2050, the zero carbon date, are already built. We will have a slightly titivated version of what we have now, unless there is a massive housing demolition campaign



    A surprising amount can be done to existing housing if there's a will.  Nearly 10 years ago we bought our current house (1910-ish stone built and up north) and the first winter alone it cost me over a £1000 in gas barely taking the chill off the place morning and evening - it would probably been twice that to heat it to a really comfortable level all day. As it was a 'doer-upper' as they say (all the original lime plaster was thoroughly perished and generally in a pretty poor state) it was a strip back to brick/joists level of renovation anyway so relatively easy to incorporate a decent level of thermal insulation (not quite PassivHaus but well in excess of building regs for a new build), triple glazing and so on. True there's a solar thermal panel that helps a bit with the hot water in the summer, and very occasionally a fire in the log burner - but our gas bills are now below £250 for the entire year. That's despite SWMBO now insisting that anything below 21 degrees is far to cold, someone now being in all day, and gas unit prices going up significantly in that time.


    It was costly initially (but probably has already paid back the materials costs already) and would have been very very disruptive (but we were stripping the place out anyway) and by chance some of the design features of the original house (like not having internal doors immediately adjacent to external walls and some rooms south facing) helped significantly - but I'm convinced at lot more could be done far more widely than is being done.  It doesn't have to be done all at once of course - if people start to automatically think about adding insulation when for instance they just think about getting walls re-skimmed or when a room is renovated (some bathrooms and kitchens seem to get a major overhaul every decade or two these days) it starts to add up.


       - Andy.
Reply

  • Also while better insulated housing will help, I reckon 3/4 of the  buildings we will inhabit by 2050, the zero carbon date, are already built. We will have a slightly titivated version of what we have now, unless there is a massive housing demolition campaign



    A surprising amount can be done to existing housing if there's a will.  Nearly 10 years ago we bought our current house (1910-ish stone built and up north) and the first winter alone it cost me over a £1000 in gas barely taking the chill off the place morning and evening - it would probably been twice that to heat it to a really comfortable level all day. As it was a 'doer-upper' as they say (all the original lime plaster was thoroughly perished and generally in a pretty poor state) it was a strip back to brick/joists level of renovation anyway so relatively easy to incorporate a decent level of thermal insulation (not quite PassivHaus but well in excess of building regs for a new build), triple glazing and so on. True there's a solar thermal panel that helps a bit with the hot water in the summer, and very occasionally a fire in the log burner - but our gas bills are now below £250 for the entire year. That's despite SWMBO now insisting that anything below 21 degrees is far to cold, someone now being in all day, and gas unit prices going up significantly in that time.


    It was costly initially (but probably has already paid back the materials costs already) and would have been very very disruptive (but we were stripping the place out anyway) and by chance some of the design features of the original house (like not having internal doors immediately adjacent to external walls and some rooms south facing) helped significantly - but I'm convinced at lot more could be done far more widely than is being done.  It doesn't have to be done all at once of course - if people start to automatically think about adding insulation when for instance they just think about getting walls re-skimmed or when a room is renovated (some bathrooms and kitchens seem to get a major overhaul every decade or two these days) it starts to add up.


       - Andy.
Children
No Data