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THE CAMPAIGN FOR REAL EARTHING

I think that we were considering adopting PME earthing systems today on what we know now we would say no thanks?


I strongly believe that the use of PME earthing systems is inherently unsafe. I am keen to hear any technical arguments to defend the use of PME?


Most PME DNO new distribution cable use 3 core Wavecon cables for UG distribution with single phase concentric cables tapped off for single phase users. For overhead open wire supplies of newer installs ABC cable.


There is no reason not to use 4 core Wavecons and distribute a much safer TN-S earthing system other than the cables will be a 1/3rd more expensive.


 I believe that the DNOs having been tentatively asking government  for a £trillion pounds to upgrade their networks for when we stop burning fossil fuels and go all electric. No doubt the DNOs hope that the government, civil servants and politicians will have forgotten that these private companies purchased a public assets for a knock down price with the idea that the public would no longer have to subsidies a public body! 


A good start would be that no new supplies will be PME, no replacement cables will be PME and no repairs to cables will be PME conversions. For instance a new housing estate would have to be an all TN-S installation. I understand that WPD are already installing TN-S earthing systems for new housing estates. If this is the case then well done WPD. Can anyone confirm this?


I am also concerned about the degradation of the of the Global Earthing System with use of all plastic covered cables, no bonding to metallic service pipes and the failure on DNO contractors to install earth rods and joints to save time and money. Will we start to see 442 type over voltages?


Look at my EV charging thread and the measures we are having to deploy due to PME earthing, we are having to do this because the PME system is inherently unsafe!


Is there support for my proposed campaign?
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    Reading between the lines, it sounds like they used to have a fully TT system but had problems getting an effective consumer's earth - in which case even modest leakage currents could raise the touch potentials to something nasty. After that having a a TN system of any kind must seem like an improvement. Presumably none of their LV distribution system had any PE conductors, so TN-S wasn't really an option.

     

    I was imagining a very remote house or farm situated on non-conducting dry dust in Australia as well. MEN won't work well if the earth electrodes are living in dry dust.



    But at least the loop impedance is kept low with a MEN system - even if it might drift a bit above local earth potential. With a fully TT system if the consumer's electrode is just in dry dust you might loose all ADS as well as having leakage currents raise the voltage on the earthing system.


       - Andy.

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  • From that link



    Reading between the lines, it sounds like they used to have a fully TT system but had problems getting an effective consumer's earth - in which case even modest leakage currents could raise the touch potentials to something nasty. After that having a a TN system of any kind must seem like an improvement. Presumably none of their LV distribution system had any PE conductors, so TN-S wasn't really an option.

     

    I was imagining a very remote house or farm situated on non-conducting dry dust in Australia as well. MEN won't work well if the earth electrodes are living in dry dust.



    But at least the loop impedance is kept low with a MEN system - even if it might drift a bit above local earth potential. With a fully TT system if the consumer's electrode is just in dry dust you might loose all ADS as well as having leakage currents raise the voltage on the earthing system.


       - Andy.

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