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TT systems and RCD trip times

Hi all


Just reading through the disconnection times in the regs and noticed something I've never thought of before.


On table 41.1 there is a note under the table that states that the disconnection times of a TT system can be the same as a TN system if disconnection is achieved by an OCPD and bonding is in place. However, I've not come across a TT system with a Ze low enough where only an OCPD can be used. The lowest Ze I've seen was 20 ohms.


Therefore:

On a TT system the disconnection times are 1 second and 0.2 of a second. Reg 411.3.2.2 & 411.3.2.4.

You would normally use an RCD for fault protection due to earth rod resistance causing higher than max Zs on final circuits as well as additional protection. Reg 411.5.3.


However, according to the OSG 11.2 and 11.3 the max allowable time to trip for a 61008 and 61009 can be up to 300ms (or, as stated, less then 300ms so 299.99ms).

If you are using RCBOs on circuits requiring 30mA protection and a selective type on the incoming it is 150 to 500ms on circuits without the RCBOs, so even worse.


This will mean it may not comply with the disconnection times. If you test the RCD and it trips within the 200ms it will comply but the fact that the BS standards allow for a longer time means that technically it does not comply.


(On a side note it seems strange that the older BS4293 RCD specifications do have a max trip time of less that 200ms, although it would still be the same issue with the selective type).


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  • Reading that guidance from Hager it seems strange that they are saying that if the 30 x 5 test fails to give a result of 40ms then you can test at 300. That's effectively a x 10 test.

    Mind you, they are saying that according to the 61008 specs it is not 150mA but 250mA that it should be tested at.

    If that's the case the OSG, BBB, GN3 and everything else should be updated. So should the testers.


    Setting the VAR is not immediately obvious. After selecting VAR you have to use the double arrow key on the left of the display. An up/down arrow will appear in the right of the display. Then use the right 2 buttons with the small arrows to change the value to 50. When done press the double arrow key again and the up/down arrow on the display will disappear and the VAR will be set. Then just set the x 5 and off you go.
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  • Reading that guidance from Hager it seems strange that they are saying that if the 30 x 5 test fails to give a result of 40ms then you can test at 300. That's effectively a x 10 test.

    Mind you, they are saying that according to the 61008 specs it is not 150mA but 250mA that it should be tested at.

    If that's the case the OSG, BBB, GN3 and everything else should be updated. So should the testers.


    Setting the VAR is not immediately obvious. After selecting VAR you have to use the double arrow key on the left of the display. An up/down arrow will appear in the right of the display. Then use the right 2 buttons with the small arrows to change the value to 50. When done press the double arrow key again and the up/down arrow on the display will disappear and the VAR will be set. Then just set the x 5 and off you go.
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