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TT systems and RCD trip times

Hi all


Just reading through the disconnection times in the regs and noticed something I've never thought of before.


On table 41.1 there is a note under the table that states that the disconnection times of a TT system can be the same as a TN system if disconnection is achieved by an OCPD and bonding is in place. However, I've not come across a TT system with a Ze low enough where only an OCPD can be used. The lowest Ze I've seen was 20 ohms.


Therefore:

On a TT system the disconnection times are 1 second and 0.2 of a second. Reg 411.3.2.2 & 411.3.2.4.

You would normally use an RCD for fault protection due to earth rod resistance causing higher than max Zs on final circuits as well as additional protection. Reg 411.5.3.


However, according to the OSG 11.2 and 11.3 the max allowable time to trip for a 61008 and 61009 can be up to 300ms (or, as stated, less then 300ms so 299.99ms).

If you are using RCBOs on circuits requiring 30mA protection and a selective type on the incoming it is 150 to 500ms on circuits without the RCBOs, so even worse.


This will mean it may not comply with the disconnection times. If you test the RCD and it trips within the 200ms it will comply but the fact that the BS standards allow for a longer time means that technically it does not comply.


(On a side note it seems strange that the older BS4293 RCD specifications do have a max trip time of less that 200ms, although it would still be the same issue with the selective type).


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  • Sparkingchip:

    The other issue is that when I did the testing course and we were told that we only test 30 mA RCDs at x 5, because generally shoving half an amp through a domestic earthing system and electrode to test a 100 mA RCD is getting risky.


    Andy B



    The people running the courses are just people like you and me. They quite often get things wrong as well. I don't see any issue with half an amp through a domestic earthing system.

    When I was originally at collage all those years ago the lecturer said that it was bad practice to take a neutral to a switch. The reason? Because you could get a short circuit from phase to neutral. When I pointed out that you were more likely to get a fault to the earthed back box than to neutral and what about all the equipment that has to have neutrals in he realised what a stupid reason for not taking neutrals to switches that was. Nowadays, it's the done thing.

    Therefore, I would take some things they say with a pinch of salt.
     

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  • Sparkingchip:

    The other issue is that when I did the testing course and we were told that we only test 30 mA RCDs at x 5, because generally shoving half an amp through a domestic earthing system and electrode to test a 100 mA RCD is getting risky.


    Andy B



    The people running the courses are just people like you and me. They quite often get things wrong as well. I don't see any issue with half an amp through a domestic earthing system.

    When I was originally at collage all those years ago the lecturer said that it was bad practice to take a neutral to a switch. The reason? Because you could get a short circuit from phase to neutral. When I pointed out that you were more likely to get a fault to the earthed back box than to neutral and what about all the equipment that has to have neutrals in he realised what a stupid reason for not taking neutrals to switches that was. Nowadays, it's the done thing.

    Therefore, I would take some things they say with a pinch of salt.
     

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