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Does BS7671:2018 521:10.202 apply to a bungalow floor void? (Securing cables against collapse in a fire)

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Good afternoon, I hope you are all well.



Firstly, I am not an electrician, but I am trying to save a lot of disruption all at once if I can.



Here’s the reason for the question. A couple of years ago I had a new Hager consumer unit installed by an electrician and had it fully populated with RCBO’s at my request. one RCBO for each circuit. It also has one main isolator switch. I have recently decided that I now want to re-organise the ring final throughout the bungalow. To achieve this I would like to do most of the installation myself one room at a time to avoid major disruption all at once. The bungalow is a small 2 bed with wooden floorboards covering 78sq/m approx. Under the floorboards there is an an 18inch deep (approx) void.



My initial thoughts are that I could run all the cables required for an entirely separate and new ring final, (not connected to anything) so an electrician can come in and connect all the new sockets and the new cables to the consumer unit when ready, and at the same time disconnect the old ring final. Thus, swapping old circuit to new.



As these cables will be run under the floor and cannot collapse on to anyone during a fire, are they still required to follow the new regulations and be secured to the underfloor joists with metal cable clips, or can they run free on the ground under the wooden floor as the existing cables do now.



My personal opinion is that a fireman would prefer to potentially step on resting cables, rather than step through clipped suspended cables if his or her foot were to go through the floor in this situation. Also from what I have read it is more desirable, thermally, to have cables in free air as opposed to being fixed or covered  However, I would be grateful for your expert guidance in these matters.



Other information which may be relevant:



Cable to be used will be 2.5mm twin and earth( 2x2,5 and 1x1.5cpc)



The new ring final will have 12 double sockets in total, inclusive of 2 spurs. 1 spur will be terminated at 1 socket in a bedroom, and one spur to be terminated at the RCBO in the consumer unit to ensure that there will be no junction boxes under the floor.



I know it’s not pretty, but the new cables will come up through the floorboards into short lengths of 38x25 plastic trunking (approx 8inches long) and then into surface mounted 25mm deep click mode pattresses and sockets. For fire considerations, the trunking will be fixed to the wall with screws into brick (no plastic rawlplugs). A neat cut-out will be made in the skirting board to ensure trunking meets the floorboards. Also for fire considerations, the cables in the trunking will be restrained by a safe-d metal cable clip.



The pattresses will be attached to the wall with 3 screws. Two with plastic rawlplugs and one directly into brick for fire considerations.



I hope I have given you all enough information to go on, and wish you all well.



As always, many thanks in advance.



Simon


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  • if you are going under the floor, then while you are there do verify the airbricks actually allow good airflow, but do not admit mice and rats.

    (at one extreme damp rotting joists, and the other a risk of a rats nest, neither is what you want)

    If it is an earth over-site then as others have said, tying the cables up is good, but difficult unless most or all of the whole floor is coming up -  otherwise, cables laying on the concrete sub-floor is fine  I do caution against having any sort of joint resting on the floor or dangling in free space - try to get all joints above ground and  in places you can get to, like inside  socket boxes (and put more sockets in than you need now -something will use them ).  Mind you, if the floor is coming up, then take the chance to insulate between the joists - in terms of heating it is worth it.

    Personally, I try and avoid too many spurs on a new ring if I can, even if it means 'out and back' cables are side by side, but regs are fine with it.

    As noted - make sure your tame electrician is OK with this - they may want photos of what you have done to prove it is OK. Understandably, some are nervous of adopting the resposibility for the work of others they cannot see.

    Equally, if the old circuit was slowly extended and then later pruned so that only the new wiring remained, then strictly in England at least there would be nothing that needed notification at any step in the process- though getting it overseen is still sensible, and it still ought to be tested for continuity and insulation integrity.

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  • if you are going under the floor, then while you are there do verify the airbricks actually allow good airflow, but do not admit mice and rats.

    (at one extreme damp rotting joists, and the other a risk of a rats nest, neither is what you want)

    If it is an earth over-site then as others have said, tying the cables up is good, but difficult unless most or all of the whole floor is coming up -  otherwise, cables laying on the concrete sub-floor is fine  I do caution against having any sort of joint resting on the floor or dangling in free space - try to get all joints above ground and  in places you can get to, like inside  socket boxes (and put more sockets in than you need now -something will use them ).  Mind you, if the floor is coming up, then take the chance to insulate between the joists - in terms of heating it is worth it.

    Personally, I try and avoid too many spurs on a new ring if I can, even if it means 'out and back' cables are side by side, but regs are fine with it.

    As noted - make sure your tame electrician is OK with this - they may want photos of what you have done to prove it is OK. Understandably, some are nervous of adopting the resposibility for the work of others they cannot see.

    Equally, if the old circuit was slowly extended and then later pruned so that only the new wiring remained, then strictly in England at least there would be nothing that needed notification at any step in the process- though getting it overseen is still sensible, and it still ought to be tested for continuity and insulation integrity.

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