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Obvious departures from the regulations at first glance at a new consumer unit.

Jaymack
I was asked to give an EICR on an domestic property which is to be placed on the market (part P applicable). I found that a builder as part of the other renovation work, (new doors, windows and kitchen etc.) has carried out the installation of a new metal consumer unit. On first opening this dual RCD unit, the 2 lighting circuits were on one R.C.D., and the 2 final ring circuits on the other R.C.D,, it was obvious also, that some wires to the new CB's were short and not lengthened, resulting in a bird's nest at the M.C.B.''s.


Plainly, a qualified electrician hadn't carried out the work. What would the readers as registered electricians have done ?. 1. Walk away. 2. Propose to have an E.I.C.R. carried out (UNSATISFACTORY), then carry out the rectification work and issue MWC's.3. Rectify the obvious departures, issue M.W.C.'s and then issue a SATISFACTORY E.I.C.R. 


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    Lack of previous documentation is not generally considered a "failure" in an EICR. Ok the condition is "no previous paperwork" but that is not in any regulation! It must be provided as an EIC or MWC at installation time, but it not being present to the inspector is just inconvenient. The starting position is basically knowing nothing, and if documentation is provided it is often incorrect, so wasting time. One could claim that no previous documents present means that there may never have been any, but perhaps that is why the EICR is being carried out. Lack of documentation of a domestic is not covered by the EAWR and not by the BR, reference being made to BS7671 not statute.


    In the case of these untidy wires in the CU, I would be more concerned if they had been extended, particularly if by red or blue butt crimps, as these are a common source of failure. Even with the correct crimp tool neither size is very satisfactory when subjected to a pull test with solid wires, although both pass with flexible conductors just fine (failure at a point away from the crimp being the criterion). Commercial installations rarely have what might be considered "tidy" wiring, because the separate wires must be left loose to prevent bunching temperature rise, and there can be a lot of them.
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    Lack of previous documentation is not generally considered a "failure" in an EICR. Ok the condition is "no previous paperwork" but that is not in any regulation! It must be provided as an EIC or MWC at installation time, but it not being present to the inspector is just inconvenient. The starting position is basically knowing nothing, and if documentation is provided it is often incorrect, so wasting time. One could claim that no previous documents present means that there may never have been any, but perhaps that is why the EICR is being carried out. Lack of documentation of a domestic is not covered by the EAWR and not by the BR, reference being made to BS7671 not statute.


    In the case of these untidy wires in the CU, I would be more concerned if they had been extended, particularly if by red or blue butt crimps, as these are a common source of failure. Even with the correct crimp tool neither size is very satisfactory when subjected to a pull test with solid wires, although both pass with flexible conductors just fine (failure at a point away from the crimp being the criterion). Commercial installations rarely have what might be considered "tidy" wiring, because the separate wires must be left loose to prevent bunching temperature rise, and there can be a lot of them.
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