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Obvious departures from the regulations at first glance at a new consumer unit.

Jaymack
I was asked to give an EICR on an domestic property which is to be placed on the market (part P applicable). I found that a builder as part of the other renovation work, (new doors, windows and kitchen etc.) has carried out the installation of a new metal consumer unit. On first opening this dual RCD unit, the 2 lighting circuits were on one R.C.D., and the 2 final ring circuits on the other R.C.D,, it was obvious also, that some wires to the new CB's were short and not lengthened, resulting in a bird's nest at the M.C.B.''s.


Plainly, a qualified electrician hadn't carried out the work. What would the readers as registered electricians have done ?. 1. Walk away. 2. Propose to have an E.I.C.R. carried out (UNSATISFACTORY), then carry out the rectification work and issue MWC's.3. Rectify the obvious departures, issue M.W.C.'s and then issue a SATISFACTORY E.I.C.R. 


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    I would seriously like everyone to stop this effectively futile discussion. The rating of the sockets is irrelevant to anything you do, and if it is 13A for a double socket, what are you going to do about it? You could give a code 2 and insist they are all changed for singles, but this is very difficult and would become a major wall mending exercise which would incur rage from customers. What would be the outcome? Precisely nothing at all! I want to see pictures of the sockets which have been damaged sufficiently to be a serious fire risk, preferably in the next post! Unfortunately for certain proponents there are none, because even a washing machine and a kettle used together do not produce this problem. I have never met anyone putting 2 3kW fires in the same room, both without thermostats BTW because otherwise the furniture will probably catch fire before the socket! This discussion is nothing to do with complying with BS7671 either, you may use either single or twin sockets as convenient on any final circuit with a 32A CPD, and suitably sized cable. That's it, very simple. It does seem to me that many people need a book of instructions which says you must do A or B exactly like this or it is breaking the law. This is not the way BS7671 works, it assumes the users are not complete idiots, and UNDERSTAND what they are doing. It appears that a number do not. I expect someone will suggest that only a single socket may be fitted to a final circuit with a 10A CPD, because anything else could be "misused" by a customer.
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    I would seriously like everyone to stop this effectively futile discussion. The rating of the sockets is irrelevant to anything you do, and if it is 13A for a double socket, what are you going to do about it? You could give a code 2 and insist they are all changed for singles, but this is very difficult and would become a major wall mending exercise which would incur rage from customers. What would be the outcome? Precisely nothing at all! I want to see pictures of the sockets which have been damaged sufficiently to be a serious fire risk, preferably in the next post! Unfortunately for certain proponents there are none, because even a washing machine and a kettle used together do not produce this problem. I have never met anyone putting 2 3kW fires in the same room, both without thermostats BTW because otherwise the furniture will probably catch fire before the socket! This discussion is nothing to do with complying with BS7671 either, you may use either single or twin sockets as convenient on any final circuit with a 32A CPD, and suitably sized cable. That's it, very simple. It does seem to me that many people need a book of instructions which says you must do A or B exactly like this or it is breaking the law. This is not the way BS7671 works, it assumes the users are not complete idiots, and UNDERSTAND what they are doing. It appears that a number do not. I expect someone will suggest that only a single socket may be fitted to a final circuit with a 10A CPD, because anything else could be "misused" by a customer.
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