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Part P - new circuits

Installing a new circuit from the CU is notifiable to the LABC under Part P of the Building Regulations.


Examples include:

1. A circuit for a burglar alarm.

2. A circuit for outside lights.

3. Removing a fixed appliance (such as a heater) from a ring main and providing it with its own dedicated MCB.


However, additions and alterations to existing circuits are not notifiable.


This creates a situation where certain contractors who are not registered electricians are forced to connect any appliances they install to existing circuits rather than providing them with their own dedicated circuits and MCB. Examples include burglar alarm installers wiring alarms to ceiling lights or kitchen fitters wiring heaters to ring mains and cooker switches.


It's probably safe to say that only a small fraction of homeowners are aware that new circuits are notifiable to the LABC under Part P, and a high proportion of them completely ignore the regulations when it comes to their own DIY installations. It's also quite commonplace for cables for new circuits to be installed by builders or labourers, rather than electricians, even if they do not connect them to the appliance or the CU.


Part P regulations have also resulted in a phenomenon of plug-in houses where a large amount of permanent or semi-permanent wiring, including to ceiling lights, is plugged into sockets on a ring main. Anything which is plugged into a socket is outside of the scope of Part P regulations.


My own view of Part P regulations for new circuits, from the perspective of an engineer rather than an electrician, is that methods used by DIY installers or contractors to circumvent having to notify LABC can potentially result in installations that are more dangerous than if they were powered from a new circuit.


Would it make more sense to abolish notification of the LABC for new circuits?
  • When Part P was going to be introduced I thought "Ahh Good" because I`d seen such rubbish done by builders, joiners and "electicians" etc. Unfortunately despite the goodwill of parliament itturned out to be a right dogs breakfast. I was registered right from day one thru to about 18 months ago. It cost a bit of cash to keep registered, not just sceme money but the cash cow cost of courses and exams too. One goodside - more folk have test meters and the costs of such test gear has gone down. Parliament was lead to believe that each electrician (or entity) would need to spend an extra £500 every 5 years or something, yeah right?

    People who should not be touching electrics (or at least doing it under guidance and perhaps final connection by competants) are now defined scope and believe they have sufficient knowledge. People who do know they`re doing (such as one of my assessors) are not actually registered to do it themselves.

    Bah Humbug!


    PS - I got a nice reply from my MP (all credit to them) about the proposed rental thingy. Once I`ve redacted itsufficiently (to protect the guilty) I`ll submit it
  • Something to also bear in mind that when the notification requirements were enacted by the NuLab government back in 2005, LAs had 'more' money. Since 2010ish LAs have been increasingly strapped for cash and have ended up making swingeing cutbacks to core and 'essential' services, so worrying about minor parts of the Building Reguations - like whether homeowners have added new circuits to the CU for an outside light, burglar alarm, heater, etc, as part of a DIY project - is the last thing on their minds, and most do not have the staff or resources to inspect such DIY projects for compliance with the wiring regulations.
  • I have only done one job so far this year that has been inspected and passed by a Building Inspector.


    The Local Council were not involved, the electrical work did not require a part P notification and the Building Inspector works for a private company that is independent from the council.


    Two minor works certificates handed to the customer and I was done. I don’t know if the Building Inspector ran a check on who I am or not, but no questions were raised about me or the work.


    The jobs that were notifiable I notified through NAPIT, without any inspections.


    Most of it is never considered until a house or flat is put up for sale and questions are asked about DIY and similar work.


    Andy Betteridge

  • Since 2010ish LAs have been increasingly strapped for cash and have ended up making swingeing cutbacks to core and 'essential' services, so worrying about minor parts of the Building Reguations - like whether homeowners have added new circuits to the CU for an outside light, burglar alarm, heater, etc, as part of a DIY project - is the last thing on their minds, and most do not have the staff or resources to inspect such DIY projects for compliance with the wiring regulations.



    For many years now building control departments in local authorities have been required to be self-funding - i.e. their charges need to cover their costs - hence >£200+VAT charge for the simplest notifiable electrical work.

       - Andy.