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EV charging provision as part of new build planning permission?

Former Community Member
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As per subject, I was asked this morning about the practicalities for EV provision by an electrician. Apparently, it has been stipulated as a condition of granting planning permission for some new build dwellings, so I asked for sight of this.


Whilst it is usual for the planning to seek comments from the water authority for sewage disposal, I doubt if the DNO has been consulted.


Has anyone else come across this?


Regards


BOD
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    Stems from the Energy Performance of Building Directive and is implemented (or will be when adopted) by an amendment to the Building Regulations (and often misinterpreted by planning authorities)


    So basically, the Planning Authority can require them for new build dwellings as they will be covered by building regulations, substantial change of use to form dwellings or major refurbishment of existing dwellings (again via building regs)  - although that may be limited to the provision of "ducting" only to a suitable position depending on the numbers of dwellings involved


    I'd imagine that the planners have no interest in consulting with DNO's  - principally as the response isn't likely to be "on message"


    Regards


    OMS




  • That can now be repealed as we are no longer in the EU. Stupid piece of nonsense anyway. Whoever wrote it did not understand that energy use in materials had also to be accounted in a buildings overall energy efficiency.
  • "some new build dwellings" so a housing estate even if it is a very small one.


    I think that the developer will have to accept the council's stipulation, which to my mind is sensible - at least make provision now. At some stage, the developer will apply for an electricity supply of a certain size. With provision for EVCPs the cost may be a little higher, but better that than having to upgrade later on.

  • davezawadi:

    That can now be repealed as we are no longer in the EU. Stupid piece of nonsense anyway. Whoever wrote it did not understand that energy use in materials had also to be accounted in a buildings overall energy efficiency.



    Why repeal something as simple as making provision for charging a vehicle?  And what's it got to do with the EU anyway? 

     

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    At some stage, the developer will apply for an electricity supply of a certain size


    I wonder if the DNO's standard 12/15/16 kVA with a diversity after max demand of 2 kVA or so, change to one of 20+ kVA with 10 kVA demand, ie five times the infrastructure cost?


    I wonder if our resident UKPN spokesperson will advise?


    Regards


    BOD
  • BOD


    The local planners will specify want they want and dependent on the site may require a number of vehicle charging points and passive provision ( cables coiled up in the ground) for future additions).


    That said I am working on a design at the moment for a church conversion to flats and an addition block adjacent. At a design meeting I asked how many vehicle charging points were going to be needed and where would they be going as I could not see any car park provision on the site drawings. I was told the planning permission was granted for a car free development only and no vehicle charging was required. 


    For one off domestic EV installs if the total demand after fitting the EV point exceeds 13.8 kVA you need to seek permission from the DNO before you start work. If the MD does not exceed 13.8kVA when the EV is installed you must notify the ENA on completion or before you start. There is a flow chart on the ENA web site that describes the process.


  • Malvern and some other councils will probably insist on there being a shed to keep pedal cycles in securely.


    Andy Betteridge
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    Simon Barker:


     


    davezawadi:

    That can now be repealed as we are no longer in the EU. Stupid piece of nonsense anyway. Whoever wrote it did not understand that energy use in materials had also to be accounted in a buildings overall energy efficiency.



    Why repeal something as simple as making provision for charging a vehicle?  And what's it got to do with the EU anyway? 

     


     



    Because it derives from the EPBD which is the European Directive on the energy performance of buildings


    It allows national governments to implement their own particular solutions, to meet the Directive


    Basically, the same source that in the UK produced the procedures for compliance with Part L of the Building Regulations (eg SBEM or dynamic simulation) and (for example)  in France, the Reglementation Thermique


    Regards


    OMS
     

  • https://www.westernpower.co.uk/downloads/3370
  • A cynic like me would observe that 100 amp services used to be the norm for new larger homes. A 100 amp service should be ample for an EV charger and normal household use.

    There have been many cases of former 100 amp services being downrated when meters are changed. I suspect that after receiving a large fee for "network improvements" that the DNO will simply re-instate the 100 amp fuse.