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Oil Boiler Isolation Switch.

Evenin' All,


Regarding an external ground sited domestic oil fired boiler for heating and hot water that has an internal switched fused connection unit nearby inside the house, what regulations will require an external electrical isolator adjacent to the oil boiler? You know the sort of thing, a double pole rotary isolator. 


Z.


  • It will have to be replaced, first off I don't know of a spare pin supplier, secondly it's beyond the wit and imagination of a Millennial to be able to use it, they don't do analogue. ?
  • 2. Frost stat installed and connected up to Grant boiler circuit board. Set at 5 deg. C.


    If it is not correctly positioned and interlinked through a pipe thermostat on the boiler return pipe it might run all Winter or the boiler might shut off before the hot water has fully circulated, it just needs thinking through as it needs to open the two port valves as well to circulate through the house heating system.


    It might just heat the boiler and push the hot water through the bypass without circulating through the house, if in doubt the plumber should be on top of the requirements.


    Andy B.

  • secondly it's beyond the wit and imagination of a Millennial to be able to use it, they don't do analogue. ? 




    There are quite a few that do not do digits very well either to be fair...

    On complex control panels (kit which a decade or two ago would have been a console that carried 20 moving coil meters) we go to great pains not to have an array of 7 segment displays, or ons screen and hidden 20 push menus, but to mimic either an analogue movement or a bar-graph of some kind, even if it is a picture of a moving needle meter on an LCD screen. We also arrange all the metering so that the 'happy' state is with the needles or bar-graphs all in the same position - the eye is very  fast at spotting the one meter pointing the other way or the one bar-graph that is lower than the others.

    It is too easy in the digits to read 100, 100, 10,0  as 3 identical readings, but 2 needles flickering around 2 O'clock and one sulking at about 9 o'clock is very obvious  even to a passing glance to alert that one PA has dropped  out or one battery is flat or whatever.

    Like putting the buttons far enough apart and with a positive click, and all rotary controls to "wind up" intuitively, i.e. increase clockwise, all this 'human factors' stuff is nothing new in the last 50 years, but for for software it seems folk forget it.



     


  • LOL, I have just ended up quoting an analogue timer after all my comments, but the heating period is finite because when the cylinder is hot the thermostat will cut the supply, so long as the tenant leaves the time setting alone unless there has been a power cut or similar and only presses the boost button during the day all will be well. However I allowed for a new insulation jacket for the cylinder to help things along. ?

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/greenbrook-16a-dual-tariff-boost-timer-230v/6415r#_=p


    The reviews aren't all 5-star:
    18 Nov 2018





    Norfolk





    " Not very good design as you can't see the front panel writing very clearly - especially in a dark cupboard! The writing is tiny and no reason why it couldn't be bigger font.

    The clock numerals go anti-clockwise too - who on earth got that wrong!!!







  • mapj1:

    ... and all rotary controls to "wind up" intuitively, i.e. increase clockwise, all this 'human factors' stuff is nothing new in the last 50 years, but for for software it seems folk forget it.




    Except that ordinary water taps increase anti-clockwise, as do the controls on my cooker.


    The key to good software design is to assume that users will do stupid things. ?



  • Okay, I have actually had a look at the boiler installation instructions linked to above.


    The boiler has a 32 litre primary heat store with a circulating pump, the boiler will be hot and cycling 24/7 without a hot water timer and being always on, it needs a hot water timer.


    Andy Betteridge

  • Sparkingchip:

    Okay, I have actually had a look at the boiler installation instructions linked to above.


    The boiler has a 32 litre primary heat store with a circulating pump, the boiler will be hot and cycling 24/7 without a hot water timer and being always on, it needs a hot water timer.


    Andy Betteridge




    Is it not better just for the boiler to "top up" the heat in the 32 litres store of hot water rather than heat up from cold every time a hot tap is opened?  Surely that is why a hot water storage tank is included in the boiler. And what happens if there is a need, say in the middle of the night, for hot water if the hot water timer if off?


    Z.


  • mapj1:




    secondly it's beyond the wit and imagination of a Millennial to be able to use it, they don't do analogue. ? 




    There are quite a few that do not do digits very well either to be fair...

    On complex control panels (kit which a decade or two ago would have been a console that carried 20 moving coil meters) we go to great pains not to have an array of 7 segment displays, or ons screen and hidden 20 push menus, but to mimic either an analogue movement or a bar-graph of some kind, even if it is a picture of a moving needle meter on an LCD screen. We also arrange all the metering so that the 'happy' state is with the needles or bar-graphs all in the same position - the eye is very  fast at spotting the one meter pointing the other way or the one bar-graph that is lower than the others.

    It is too easy in the digits to read 100, 100, 10,0  as 3 identical readings, but 2 needles flickering around 2 O'clock and one sulking at about 9 o'clock is very obvious  even to a passing glance to alert that one PA has dropped  out or one battery is flat or whatever.

    Like putting the buttons far enough apart and with a positive click, and all rotary controls to "wind up" intuitively, i.e. increase clockwise, all this 'human factors' stuff is nothing new in the last 50 years, but for for software it seems folk forget it.



     



     





  • Another consideration in very cold weather for condensing boiler pipe protection.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqKgzru0z4


    Z.