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kA^2s

This is not something I need answered: I already have a view - although someone might manage to change it. It's hoped to be a quiz-like stimulus to think about caution with units and prefixes. A comment here a week or two ago prompted me to look again in a standard - this time IEC61008-1 (2010). There I noticed a table of peak currents Ip and 'let through' I2t, that the devices are tested with. Here's a small excerpt,

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The columns give test values for RCDs that have rated currents 16 A and 20 A and with rated withstand of 6 kA 'prospective'. (The low Ip values are reasonable if the RCD is expected to be protected by a current-limiting device rated close to its own rated current In.) 


It seems that the unit they give for I2t is used in a way I've also seen in one manufacturer's specifications for MCBs/fuses.
But is this 'correct'?  

A comparison to mm^2 might be helpful. 



The login process reminded me of another question that often occurs when seeing the IEE building, or logging into a 'thexxx.org' website: nearly 20 years on, is there anyone who sees a benefit of the change from IEE to THEIET? Too late now, in any case. One can hope the name doesn't make too much difference to what happens either way, although I feels the lack of mention of electricity is a bit strange for the institution's current or past work. I wonder if the cynical view I had at the time of the vote was actually unjust. 

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  •    "If the derived unit is A2s, then 1000 A2s = 1 kA2s."



    This interpretation appears to be what the standard intended. For the 1300 A peak value, a let-through of 1600 A2s implies a duration of a few milliseconds, given that the current will be less than the peak during most of the time. This time is consistent with the clear intention that there is current-limiting protection.



    And this interpretation also looks consistent with conventions for multiplied symbols, where RI2 is the same as R(I2) but not (RI)2.

     



    However ... contentious claim coming up ... it's wrong!



    It is, of course, just a convention how we write things. If the IEC wants to define that prefixes are used as above, it can do so. But I don't think the IEC or any other standards organization really would claim that they agree with that use. Two reasons:



    1.   It's not consistent with some other cases, such as mm2. If we followed the above interpretation, then 1 mm2 would be 0.001 m2, which is the area of a circle of about 36 mm diameter. There would be no need to worry about unevenly distributed loading on a 32 A ring-socket circuit with 2.5 mm2 copper conductors, if using that sort of mm2. But terminations would be difficult, as that's nearly the biggest conductor area found in single-core transmission cables: it's 2500 of the real mm2.



    2.  I find it unlikely that IEC/ISO/etc would choose to go against the normal rules of the SI system. The 'custodian' of SI units is BIPM, the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures. Its document "The International System of Units (SI)" has instructions and examples about prefixes, on page 143: "The grouping formed by a prefix symbol attached to a unit symbol constitutes a new inseparable unit symbol (forming a multiple or sub-multiple of the unit concerned) that can be raised to a positive or negative power and that can be combined with other unit symbols to form compound unit symbols.". It goes on to give examples, including ones similar in principle to the above point about mm2.



    So, having written kA, it is the whole kiloampere that is affected by an exponent such as the squaring. In the style of the quotation above, "the prefix 'kilo' is attached to the unit 'ampere' to form a new inseparable unit symbol 'kiloampere' that can be raised to the power of two and combined with the unit 'second' to form a compound unit symbol".



    That is:    1 kA2s = 106 A2s.



    It's unlikely that the standard's misuse of a prefix will actually cause confusion, as a difference by a factor 1000 is hard not to notice. It's been there for decades, and there must be tens of millions of devices in use that didn't pass the tests prescribed by the standard, even if they passed the tests that were doubtless intended. I only noticed this issue when taking I2t values from several manufacturers' specifications, one of which used 'k' instead of a number. For the future, I'd advise using 103 A2s, in order to be clear and correct.


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  •    "If the derived unit is A2s, then 1000 A2s = 1 kA2s."



    This interpretation appears to be what the standard intended. For the 1300 A peak value, a let-through of 1600 A2s implies a duration of a few milliseconds, given that the current will be less than the peak during most of the time. This time is consistent with the clear intention that there is current-limiting protection.



    And this interpretation also looks consistent with conventions for multiplied symbols, where RI2 is the same as R(I2) but not (RI)2.

     



    However ... contentious claim coming up ... it's wrong!



    It is, of course, just a convention how we write things. If the IEC wants to define that prefixes are used as above, it can do so. But I don't think the IEC or any other standards organization really would claim that they agree with that use. Two reasons:



    1.   It's not consistent with some other cases, such as mm2. If we followed the above interpretation, then 1 mm2 would be 0.001 m2, which is the area of a circle of about 36 mm diameter. There would be no need to worry about unevenly distributed loading on a 32 A ring-socket circuit with 2.5 mm2 copper conductors, if using that sort of mm2. But terminations would be difficult, as that's nearly the biggest conductor area found in single-core transmission cables: it's 2500 of the real mm2.



    2.  I find it unlikely that IEC/ISO/etc would choose to go against the normal rules of the SI system. The 'custodian' of SI units is BIPM, the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures. Its document "The International System of Units (SI)" has instructions and examples about prefixes, on page 143: "The grouping formed by a prefix symbol attached to a unit symbol constitutes a new inseparable unit symbol (forming a multiple or sub-multiple of the unit concerned) that can be raised to a positive or negative power and that can be combined with other unit symbols to form compound unit symbols.". It goes on to give examples, including ones similar in principle to the above point about mm2.



    So, having written kA, it is the whole kiloampere that is affected by an exponent such as the squaring. In the style of the quotation above, "the prefix 'kilo' is attached to the unit 'ampere' to form a new inseparable unit symbol 'kiloampere' that can be raised to the power of two and combined with the unit 'second' to form a compound unit symbol".



    That is:    1 kA2s = 106 A2s.



    It's unlikely that the standard's misuse of a prefix will actually cause confusion, as a difference by a factor 1000 is hard not to notice. It's been there for decades, and there must be tens of millions of devices in use that didn't pass the tests prescribed by the standard, even if they passed the tests that were doubtless intended. I only noticed this issue when taking I2t values from several manufacturers' specifications, one of which used 'k' instead of a number. For the future, I'd advise using 103 A2s, in order to be clear and correct.


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