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kA^2s

This is not something I need answered: I already have a view - although someone might manage to change it. It's hoped to be a quiz-like stimulus to think about caution with units and prefixes. A comment here a week or two ago prompted me to look again in a standard - this time IEC61008-1 (2010). There I noticed a table of peak currents Ip and 'let through' I2t, that the devices are tested with. Here's a small excerpt,

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The columns give test values for RCDs that have rated currents 16 A and 20 A and with rated withstand of 6 kA 'prospective'. (The low Ip values are reasonable if the RCD is expected to be protected by a current-limiting device rated close to its own rated current In.) 


It seems that the unit they give for I2t is used in a way I've also seen in one manufacturer's specifications for MCBs/fuses.
But is this 'correct'?  

A comparison to mm^2 might be helpful. 



The login process reminded me of another question that often occurs when seeing the IEE building, or logging into a 'thexxx.org' website: nearly 20 years on, is there anyone who sees a benefit of the change from IEE to THEIET? Too late now, in any case. One can hope the name doesn't make too much difference to what happens either way, although I feels the lack of mention of electricity is a bit strange for the institution's current or past work. I wonder if the cynical view I had at the time of the vote was actually unjust. 

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  • J/Ω looks a very good idea, as it avoids any exponent. Then kJ/Ω works without confusion.



    Yes, k A2s with the definite space strikes me as clear (103 A2s). However, this is not what is written in the IEC table that I showed - that has no space. And it appears that a space here would not be permitted by the SI rules, as prefixes are "attached to unit symbols without a space between the prefix symbol and the unit symbol". Note also the point about milli and metre having the same letter, which could lead to confusion in some cases if prefixes were left standing about by themselves. So, for an organization that strives to follow SI, I think replacing k with 103 would be the safest option to avoid ambiguity. If it's happy to bend the rules a bit in this case, like others Graham mentioned, then the space is probably clear enough, and parentheses even safer.



    (On eV: the reason there's an e in the symbol is as you mention. But if we use the symbol in the way the SI system tells us [Table 8] it's a single symbol, regardless of its history. If we wanted to write an electronic charge multiplied by a volt, the former would be a quantity symbol rather than a unit, so would conventionally be italic.)



    I suspect our difference here arises because you're considering what would be clear to a technical user, and I'm considering from the view of what happens if SI rules are strictly applied. If we go back to the original question, note that there was no space after the k in the table, which leaves us with the kA2 versus mm2 point that Andy has summarised well.


    [Edit! Now I've seen the update [mapj1] and further point [ebee], after posting. As long as the Americans keep dollar signs before numbers I suppose we're safe with our habits in that way.]


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  • J/Ω looks a very good idea, as it avoids any exponent. Then kJ/Ω works without confusion.



    Yes, k A2s with the definite space strikes me as clear (103 A2s). However, this is not what is written in the IEC table that I showed - that has no space. And it appears that a space here would not be permitted by the SI rules, as prefixes are "attached to unit symbols without a space between the prefix symbol and the unit symbol". Note also the point about milli and metre having the same letter, which could lead to confusion in some cases if prefixes were left standing about by themselves. So, for an organization that strives to follow SI, I think replacing k with 103 would be the safest option to avoid ambiguity. If it's happy to bend the rules a bit in this case, like others Graham mentioned, then the space is probably clear enough, and parentheses even safer.



    (On eV: the reason there's an e in the symbol is as you mention. But if we use the symbol in the way the SI system tells us [Table 8] it's a single symbol, regardless of its history. If we wanted to write an electronic charge multiplied by a volt, the former would be a quantity symbol rather than a unit, so would conventionally be italic.)



    I suspect our difference here arises because you're considering what would be clear to a technical user, and I'm considering from the view of what happens if SI rules are strictly applied. If we go back to the original question, note that there was no space after the k in the table, which leaves us with the kA2 versus mm2 point that Andy has summarised well.


    [Edit! Now I've seen the update [mapj1] and further point [ebee], after posting. As long as the Americans keep dollar signs before numbers I suppose we're safe with our habits in that way.]


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