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It looks like a RCD, it feels like a RCD and it smells like a RCD. Crabtree BS4293.

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  • Former Community Member
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    Presumably complete with light green enclosure?


    Regards


    BOD
  • Rather faded, but light green. 


    It trips when the test button is pressed, but I can't fire it off with my Megger MFT1741. 


    When these were being installed they were being tested by applying voltage without recording a trip time, rather than applying current and recording the trip time. 


    So is expecting to test it as I would a modern RCD appropriate?


    I have advised that replacement is required, being a 500 mA device in a domestic property, utter regardless of if I can get it to trip with a Megger MFT or not, but stand to be corrected if need be.


    There is a Zs of around 12 ohms.


    Andy Betteridge
  • is it the only RCD ? it would be OK as the front end of a TT, if the 30mA protection is done circuit by circuit further down, to see a 500mA or 300mA is a common starter RCD for some of the older farms round here before any submains or boards, serving to provide some fire prevention and a last ditch protection if something bad happens further in.

    Of course if you cannot make it fire on a proper RCD test, you should treat it as faulty & replace.  It should fire on LN imbalance, just like a modern one.

    On some early current mode RCDs,  they were re-using bits from the voltage operated models so the test button is not (I think) introducing a fault like a modern RCD - it is just operating the firing solenoid, so they may past self test even if the pick up winding comes  detached. Is that flat enamelled  wire on the core or a trick of the camera and  lighting ?

    I suspect JP will want you to post it to him as a museum  of interesting parts  if it is surplus to requirements


  • Voltage operated trip. Works of more than 50 volts present.

    Can be confused if volts present on neutral or Frame connection touches earth superceded by RCD


  • I looked at it and decided the RCD sensing coil needs to raise the voltage on the ELCB earth terminal to 50 volts to fire it off.


    Is that possible? 


    Modern RCD testers limit the touch voltage to below 50 volts, so are they brutal enough to hit this device hard enough to make it trip?
  • Former Community Member
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    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELCB-L-60-Crabtree-60A-13060-1-L60-/282467431685


    Regards


    BOD
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