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Caravan RCD trip power connections

Dear all , a holiday question


I have an acquaintance who asks why his IET 18th Edition RCD tester when plugs it in to the Local RCD (<30mA/300mS) , the primary supply RCD trips (that is further up the AC supply line) , rather than the caravan’s, so in effect nullifying the test.

Is this because the Primary Supply RCD  is monitoring a small standing current from other connections and the Local RCD needs to be tested by using the Local Earth at the unit ? ( which is not so easily accessible). 


Are there any other thoughts please ? 


Paul , Swindon LN IET. 



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  • The little neons (the 1/4 inch glass tube ones) typically take a mA or 2 RMS, and go into explosive failure at about ten times this , the neon itself drops 60-80v depending on gas pressure inside, size the resistor on the remaining volts. For those I'd suggest 22k is bit low  for anything more than short bursts - 100 to  220k is more like it for long term reliability in UK mains, and 75 - 100k or so for 110V systems.  The panel mount ones usually have the resistors in-line already.


    I have a number of unofficial home made boxes with neons to different plugs that everyone laughs at until it spots a fault like polarity or earth off - nothing more than a plastic box with a stuffing gland for the flex and plug, and some holes for the lights.

    With 'power of opportunity' - gensets, line taps, leads from other buildings (don't ask) especially in parts of the world with less care than the UK, a quick sanity test can save expensive kit or even lives.


    You can also do 3 phase rotation testing with a 3 Rs and one C  and a neon, if you know the mains freq. Or you can spend a fortune on shiny test kit and watch it get nicked as it crosses a border.



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  • The little neons (the 1/4 inch glass tube ones) typically take a mA or 2 RMS, and go into explosive failure at about ten times this , the neon itself drops 60-80v depending on gas pressure inside, size the resistor on the remaining volts. For those I'd suggest 22k is bit low  for anything more than short bursts - 100 to  220k is more like it for long term reliability in UK mains, and 75 - 100k or so for 110V systems.  The panel mount ones usually have the resistors in-line already.


    I have a number of unofficial home made boxes with neons to different plugs that everyone laughs at until it spots a fault like polarity or earth off - nothing more than a plastic box with a stuffing gland for the flex and plug, and some holes for the lights.

    With 'power of opportunity' - gensets, line taps, leads from other buildings (don't ask) especially in parts of the world with less care than the UK, a quick sanity test can save expensive kit or even lives.


    You can also do 3 phase rotation testing with a 3 Rs and one C  and a neon, if you know the mains freq. Or you can spend a fortune on shiny test kit and watch it get nicked as it crosses a border.



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