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Zs, to test or calculate?

A large contractor working on our site have told me yesterday that it is their policy not to live test final circuits where they cannot use a plug? In order to reduce risk, they will now only calculate Zs, on circuits where they would have to open an enclosure, such as FCU's and light fittings.
The control measures we insist are in place, are IP2X equipment, GS38 leads, two man rule with second man having resus training, among others. So I feel the risk has been reduced to as low as reasonably practicable. An d my instinct tells me that a measured Zs reading must be more accurate than a calculated one, since it will include all parallel paths under test.
The contractor is happy to live test distribution circuits, so it seems they want to pick and choose.
They also state that this is how things are now, and have worked at many different sites, Cross Rail, Heathrow, various MOD sites etc, and that they al accept this as common practice.

I like some opinions to find out what's going on out there on other sites. 
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    Paul Brewerton:
    An d my instinct tells me that a measured Zs reading must be more accurate than a calculated one, since it will include all parallel paths under test.

     


    Hello Paul,

    The main problem to compare results of testing Zs and calculating Zs (and their respective SC-currents) is temperature of conductors. The temperature of conductors directly affects the test results (real temperatures at the moment of the test) or the calculation results (theoretically given temperature or temperature defined by standards).

    SC-current calculation.
    Calculation is needed to obtain the theoretical values of the largest and smallest SC-currents. According to IEC60909 the calculations of the maximum SC-current and the minimum SC-current shall be performed for each checked point.
    For example the MeteorSPEC software gives the following results for 3-phase Cu 50mm2 cable L=100m and for transformer 400kVA D/Y:

    Maximum 1-phase SC-current (temperature of conductors 90C) = 2.213 kA
    Minimum 1-phase SC-current (temperature of conductors 20C) = 1.46 kA (a fragment of the calculation report is shown at the end).

    SC-current test.
    In common case you don’t know the temperature of conductors at the moment of the test. Usually the tested circuit consists from many cable sections that are installed differently and were loaded differently before performing the test.
    You get some result, but you can’t say anything - can the SC-current be in this place at another time more or less than what you measured now.

    Test versus calculation
    Testing and calculation results cannot be directly compared. Calculation gives the theoretical possible boundary. Test results can confirm or not confirm the calculation results, nothing more.

    Thus, for the correct selection of the protective device, it is necessary to calculate the SC currents at the end points (usually enough minimum current) of a feeder and obtain the results of tests (which should be greater than the calculated minimum currents).

    438173d23d2f77054de35ed993841642-original-image.png
    MeteorSpec-NETWORK  DETAILED REPORT  Minimum SC-current
    Total length of cable = 100.0 m
    Number of cables installed in parallel = 1
    Phase Conductors = Cu 35.0 mm2
    Resistance per unit length of phase conductor = 0.524 mOhm/m [20C]
    Temperature factor of phase conductor metal = 0.00393 [1/.K]
    Temperature of conductors = 90.0 C
    Resistance per unit length of phase conductor = 0.6682 mOhm/m, [90C], IEC60909-0 [32]
    Positive-sequence resistance of cable R ( 1 ) = 66.8215 mOhm, [90C]
    Positive-sequence reactance per unit length = 0.0844 mOhm/m, [50Hz]
    Positive-sequence reactance of cable X ( 1 ) = 8.4408 mOhm, [50Hz]
    Return Conductor = Cu 35.0 mm2
    Return by fourth conductor
    Zero- and positive-sequence resistance ratio R ( 0 ) /R ( 1 ) = 4.0
    Zero-sequence resistance of cable R ( 0 ) = 267.2861 mOhm, [90C]
    Zero- and positive-sequence reactance ratio X ( 0 ) /X ( 1 ) = 3.8
    Zero-sequence reactance of cable X ( 0 ) = 32.075 mOhm, [50Hz]
     Z ( 1 ) = 66.8215 + j8.4408 = 67.3525 mOhm, [90C][50Hz]



     Z ( 0 ) = 267.2861 + j32.075 = 269.2038 mOhm, [90C][50Hz]
    -------------------------------
    RESULTS OF CALCULATION: 3-PHASE SHORT-CIRCUIT CURRENT ( MIN )
    Sum of positive-sequence short-circuit impedance
     Zk = 71.6635 + j25.7643 = 76.1542 mOhm
    Initial three-phase short-circuit current Ik3 = 2.729 kA, IEC60909-0 7.2.1.[33]
    Positive-sequence short-circuit R/X ratio = 2.7815
    -------------------------------
    RESULTS OF CALCULATION: 1-PHASE SHORT-CIRCUIT CURRENT ( MIN )
    Sum of zero-sequence short-circuit impedance
     Z ( 0 ) = 272.093 + j48.1988 = 276.3291 mOhm
    Sum of 1-phase short-circuit impedance IEC60909-0 7.5.[54]
     Zk = 415.4201 + j99.7274 = 427.2229 mOhm
    Initial 1-phase short-circuit current Ik1 = 1.46 kA, IEC60909-0 7.5.[54]
    1-phase short-circuit R/X ratio = 4.1656

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    Paul Brewerton:
    An d my instinct tells me that a measured Zs reading must be more accurate than a calculated one, since it will include all parallel paths under test.

     


    Hello Paul,

    The main problem to compare results of testing Zs and calculating Zs (and their respective SC-currents) is temperature of conductors. The temperature of conductors directly affects the test results (real temperatures at the moment of the test) or the calculation results (theoretically given temperature or temperature defined by standards).

    SC-current calculation.
    Calculation is needed to obtain the theoretical values of the largest and smallest SC-currents. According to IEC60909 the calculations of the maximum SC-current and the minimum SC-current shall be performed for each checked point.
    For example the MeteorSPEC software gives the following results for 3-phase Cu 50mm2 cable L=100m and for transformer 400kVA D/Y:

    Maximum 1-phase SC-current (temperature of conductors 90C) = 2.213 kA
    Minimum 1-phase SC-current (temperature of conductors 20C) = 1.46 kA (a fragment of the calculation report is shown at the end).

    SC-current test.
    In common case you don’t know the temperature of conductors at the moment of the test. Usually the tested circuit consists from many cable sections that are installed differently and were loaded differently before performing the test.
    You get some result, but you can’t say anything - can the SC-current be in this place at another time more or less than what you measured now.

    Test versus calculation
    Testing and calculation results cannot be directly compared. Calculation gives the theoretical possible boundary. Test results can confirm or not confirm the calculation results, nothing more.

    Thus, for the correct selection of the protective device, it is necessary to calculate the SC currents at the end points (usually enough minimum current) of a feeder and obtain the results of tests (which should be greater than the calculated minimum currents).

    438173d23d2f77054de35ed993841642-original-image.png
    MeteorSpec-NETWORK  DETAILED REPORT  Minimum SC-current
    Total length of cable = 100.0 m
    Number of cables installed in parallel = 1
    Phase Conductors = Cu 35.0 mm2
    Resistance per unit length of phase conductor = 0.524 mOhm/m [20C]
    Temperature factor of phase conductor metal = 0.00393 [1/.K]
    Temperature of conductors = 90.0 C
    Resistance per unit length of phase conductor = 0.6682 mOhm/m, [90C], IEC60909-0 [32]
    Positive-sequence resistance of cable R ( 1 ) = 66.8215 mOhm, [90C]
    Positive-sequence reactance per unit length = 0.0844 mOhm/m, [50Hz]
    Positive-sequence reactance of cable X ( 1 ) = 8.4408 mOhm, [50Hz]
    Return Conductor = Cu 35.0 mm2
    Return by fourth conductor
    Zero- and positive-sequence resistance ratio R ( 0 ) /R ( 1 ) = 4.0
    Zero-sequence resistance of cable R ( 0 ) = 267.2861 mOhm, [90C]
    Zero- and positive-sequence reactance ratio X ( 0 ) /X ( 1 ) = 3.8
    Zero-sequence reactance of cable X ( 0 ) = 32.075 mOhm, [50Hz]
     Z ( 1 ) = 66.8215 + j8.4408 = 67.3525 mOhm, [90C][50Hz]



     Z ( 0 ) = 267.2861 + j32.075 = 269.2038 mOhm, [90C][50Hz]
    -------------------------------
    RESULTS OF CALCULATION: 3-PHASE SHORT-CIRCUIT CURRENT ( MIN )
    Sum of positive-sequence short-circuit impedance
     Zk = 71.6635 + j25.7643 = 76.1542 mOhm
    Initial three-phase short-circuit current Ik3 = 2.729 kA, IEC60909-0 7.2.1.[33]
    Positive-sequence short-circuit R/X ratio = 2.7815
    -------------------------------
    RESULTS OF CALCULATION: 1-PHASE SHORT-CIRCUIT CURRENT ( MIN )
    Sum of zero-sequence short-circuit impedance
     Z ( 0 ) = 272.093 + j48.1988 = 276.3291 mOhm
    Sum of 1-phase short-circuit impedance IEC60909-0 7.5.[54]
     Zk = 415.4201 + j99.7274 = 427.2229 mOhm
    Initial 1-phase short-circuit current Ik1 = 1.46 kA, IEC60909-0 7.5.[54]
    1-phase short-circuit R/X ratio = 4.1656

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