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TNC

Evening all.


My client has taken on maintenance at a site with private transformer feeding what appears closest to a TNC arrangement, and buried unarmoured cables. As might be expected from the opening sentence there are many other issues both in design and installation. Fortunately it’s not routinely manned.


An opportunity to replace the main switchboard has arisen, and in so doing revise the protection. On the other hand while the site owners have been strongly advised by various parties (which will include myself), it’s not in my remit to instruct complete replacement of the entire installation and I have to allow for the fact that it might not happen, at least not at the same time.


Given the increased risk of faults I would like to improve the protection. RCDs are out because they’d trip on normal neutral current... but am I right I thinking that a TP or TPN CB with calculated ground fault function (ie LSIG) and no neutral CT would act in a similar but less sensitive fashion? as most of the loads are balanced it might then be reasonable to determine a limit neutral current and then set the ground fault to above that.


Is there something else you would suggest?

If TNC could become TNS by removing some connections and converting some equipment to delta, the unarmoured cable would still remain. Given site history I’d be inclined to add a CT on the main earth conductor to a more sensitive (10s of A) earth fault relay. But while I might know, or be able to find, the electrode impedance, assuming a zero impedance fault strikes me as optimistic when trying to see if it’s sensitive enough to catch a buried cable fault. A 15Ohm phase-soil fault would leave 5Ohms for the electrode (which in this case is reasonable) to give 20A for the relay to pick up. Is that even likely?


Thanks in advance
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  • Are we really talking combined N & PE throughout the installation?


    What are the circumstances of the buried cables? Are they run in ducts? Is the site such that they're likely to be disturbed/damaged?


    Monitoring the non-N (PEN?) currents to try and detect an earth fault is an interesting idea. I suspect it's not going to be that reliable though. You need a pretty decent electrode to get as low as 15Ω to the general mass of the earth - even in pretty favourable soil conditions I get 30-50Ω from a 1.2m rod - to get 15Ω you'd likely need several metres of exposed conductor. Simple fork or spade or JCB damage to a buried cable I would guess result in a far higher resistance to Earth - and only a few tens of mA could be fatal for anyone touching the damage.


       - Andy.
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  • Are we really talking combined N & PE throughout the installation?


    What are the circumstances of the buried cables? Are they run in ducts? Is the site such that they're likely to be disturbed/damaged?


    Monitoring the non-N (PEN?) currents to try and detect an earth fault is an interesting idea. I suspect it's not going to be that reliable though. You need a pretty decent electrode to get as low as 15Ω to the general mass of the earth - even in pretty favourable soil conditions I get 30-50Ω from a 1.2m rod - to get 15Ω you'd likely need several metres of exposed conductor. Simple fork or spade or JCB damage to a buried cable I would guess result in a far higher resistance to Earth - and only a few tens of mA could be fatal for anyone touching the damage.


       - Andy.
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