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Landlord electrical inspections from July!

whjohnson
Dear IET & HMG,

Please could you get your acts togother and co-ordinate your efforts in order that they correspond a little more with the Real World please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UN84w8brk

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    AJJewsbury:
    Your item 4. Why a C2 only for an "escape route"

    I was thinking of the BS 7671 idea of an escape route

       - Andy.


    BS7671 never defined an escape route, then electricians and others tried to apply their own definitions ands in the end it was just easier to make the requirement apply everywhere, says the guy who generally puts fire clips in mini-trunking for new work in airing cupboards which nobody can physically get into.


    Andy B.


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    BS7671 never defined an escape route,

    My copy seems to - both in 17th AMD 3 & 18th.

       - Andy.
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    AJJewsbury:
    BS7671 never defined an escape route,

    My copy seems to - both in 17th AMD 3 & 18th.

       - Andy.




    Sorry Andy, but 95% of the electricians and designers don't understand that to be a definition or be able to interpret it and they definitely think there can only be one in a house or flat.

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    This thread serves to illustrate that yet again, we are dancing upon the head of a pin!

    A plain prescriptive yes or no would be much more preferable.
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    Andy B


    Firstly you said,  " BS 7671 never defined an escape route". When Andy J pointed out it was in his copies of the 17th and 18th you are now saying "95% of electricians and designers don't understand that to be a definition" despite the fact it is in Part 2 "Definitions".


    Where did you get your 95% statistics from? Also are you one of the 95%?


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    Chris Pearson:



    Bear in mind that most private houses don't have escape routes, 


     




    I am not picking on Chris, but I rest my case.


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    Sparkingchip:
    Chris Pearson:

    Bear in mind that most private houses don't have escape routes, 


    I am not picking on Chris, but I rest my case.




    My first thought was that the requirement to prevent premature collapse everywhere had rendered a definition of "escape route" otiose, but see 422, which clearly does not apply to ordinary private houses. So a definition is still required.


    I could bore you with the difficulties I encountered in getting a licence for a student bar 40 years ago. The problem was that the doors giving access to a designated escape route were not permitted to open outwards into said route. Given that the building was new, one might have thought that the architects would have got that bit right. (The other bit that somebody got wrong was that the ramp into the cellar was so close to the ceiling at one point that even a firkin would not pass. ? )


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    Morning Chris


    Have a look at the explanatory note on Page 5 in respect of Chapter 52. Then go to Regulation 521.10.202.


    Even if you are not in your workshop as you have gone to make an emergency purchase at Screwfix in the event of a fire firefighters may enter your smoke logged workshop in their BA sets to look for you.
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    John Peckham:

    Morning Chris


    Have a look at the explanatory note on Page 5 in respect of Chapter 52. Then go to Regulation 521.10.202.


    Even if you are not in your workshop as you have gone to make an emergency purchase at Screwfix in the event of a fire firefighters may enter your smoke logged workshop in their BA sets to look for you.


    Morning John!


    The workshop in question is only 12 ft x 8 ft with a 9 ft ceiling. All cables are in PVC mini-trunking.


    I understand all about the reasons for the reg and the tragic deaths of firemen in tower blocks, but I don't see that the definition of "premature" is the same for all rooms in all buildings; and maybe not even for all cables in the same room.


    So how would you code my cables?


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    I don't want to get bogged down in a discussion about supporting electric cables again.

    Here is a discussion from over five years ago about supporting cables.


    There were ridiculously lengthy discussions as to what the definition of an escape route is on internet discussion forums like this one we are on now, at trade shows like Elex at forums, on trade stands and in coffee bars, at trade association meetings, at the counter in electrical wholesalers and so on and so forth.


    One of the favoured definitions of an escape route in a domestic house or flat was the hall, stairs and landing, because that is where you have to put smoke alarms, that led to the conclusion you could ignore the route to the back door through the kitchen and the like. The idea that someone may enter or exit a house in an emergency through an attached garage with an interconnecting door was just not a consideration as far as many electricians and others were concerned.


    Andy Betteridge.

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