This discussion has been locked.
You can no longer post new replies to this discussion. If you have a question you can start a new discussion

Failure on IR

Evening All,


I’ve been running over some pre-existing circuits, unfortunately for a mate so I’m not even getting paid!!, and all circuits have passed accept one that I just cannot figure out.

It’s a standard 2.5 ring circuit for the lower sockets (only feeding a lounge area), supply comes out the CU, up through the first floor rafters, and drop to the first and last sockets. All other joining wires between sockets run under the floor boards (House has concrete floor in kitchen and hall, but wooden floor in the lounge).

Running IR tests, no issues at 250v, but then at 500v it ramps from 280 m ohms till it reaches 500, then at 1000 same scenario, starts at 280 m ohms and ramps up but never really makes it to the full 1000 m ohms. It seems worse on the L-E, but does also fail on Lives.

I’ve tried to fault find this by removing the sockets, testing individual cables (which all seem to pass), and then shortening the ring one socket at a time by use of a plug in link and disconnecting the sockets beyond the link. The conclusion I believe I have come to is that the two feed lines from the CU (by linking the first and last socket and removing the rest of the circuit out of the ring) are passing IR without any ramp up. The minute I start adding in the rest of the circuit, it begins to fail, so I’m sure there are issues with all the circuit under the lounge floor.


I am assuming it’s all 2.5 T+E under there, there is a spur which doesn’t seem to link to a socket (feed a light switch to an outside light), so hazard a guess is linked to a junction box under the floor.

With it being a ramp up on IR values, could this be a moisture issue? Maybe a cable is laying on the floor under the house and drawing moisture?

Or could it being a rodent issue maybe?


Any experience on this one and advice would be appreciated


Thanks

Rusty


Parents
  • Before rushing off in panic about curly wurly wire ends, some thoughts.

    Some of us who work with more 'bitey' electronics often wish to only have mains CPC for 50Hz ADS purposes, and prefer  RF and fast transients not to be injected into the mains wiring, but to be persuaded to take an alternate route. In that case we may very deliberately put a micro henry or two in series with the mains earth, and we may even tune it to resonance with a small capacitor to make an RF trap.

    If you are working on a facility with a MW or shortwave transmitter, or a shielded room, or any kind of HV accelerator,  and find a coil in an earth lead, please do not try and tidy it up by making the coil straight again !

    As shown in that video the effects are not especially significant,  be honest if the EMC perforamance in a domestic system is upended by 6 turns around a 3/4" former ( i.e. about 500nanoHenries, or a similar inductance to 2 feet of 15mm dia. straight copper rod) it probably needs a review anyway.

    The only place I'd really worry if I saw it would be a lightning protection system  (they tend to straighten out, rather as if the electrons want to keep going straight) or in the cables to any kind of SPD or RFI filter.
Reply
  • Before rushing off in panic about curly wurly wire ends, some thoughts.

    Some of us who work with more 'bitey' electronics often wish to only have mains CPC for 50Hz ADS purposes, and prefer  RF and fast transients not to be injected into the mains wiring, but to be persuaded to take an alternate route. In that case we may very deliberately put a micro henry or two in series with the mains earth, and we may even tune it to resonance with a small capacitor to make an RF trap.

    If you are working on a facility with a MW or shortwave transmitter, or a shielded room, or any kind of HV accelerator,  and find a coil in an earth lead, please do not try and tidy it up by making the coil straight again !

    As shown in that video the effects are not especially significant,  be honest if the EMC perforamance in a domestic system is upended by 6 turns around a 3/4" former ( i.e. about 500nanoHenries, or a similar inductance to 2 feet of 15mm dia. straight copper rod) it probably needs a review anyway.

    The only place I'd really worry if I saw it would be a lightning protection system  (they tend to straighten out, rather as if the electrons want to keep going straight) or in the cables to any kind of SPD or RFI filter.
Children
No Data