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EICR

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My friend is going to rent his property out. They had an EICR carrisd out less than 2 years ago with a retest date of 10 years. Since this no additions or alterations have been made to the installation. 

Question is do they need to carry out another EICR and is it classed as a change of tenant? I'm not sure as its a change from owner to tenant and not a change of one tenant to another tenant. Suggestions would be welcomed.
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    The legislation is badly drafted. At first sight is seems you need an EICR for every tenant but actually what it says is that  if you don't have one now you need to get one before a new tenant moves in. The key to this is that it talks about the first inspection needing to be carried out before a new tenant moves in.

    Duties of private landlords in relation to electrical installations




    3.—(1) A private landlord(7) who grants or intends to grant a specified tenancy must—




    (a)ensure that the electrical safety standards are met during any period when the residential premises(8) are occupied under a specified tenancy;





    (b)ensure every electrical installation in the residential premises is inspected and tested at regular intervals by a qualified person; and





    (c)ensure the first inspection and testing is carried out—





    (i)before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy; or





    (ii)by 1st April 2021 in relation to an existing specified tenancy.


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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    I was speaking to an Estate Agent about letting a property last week, and she said, you need an EICR. True but she had no idea of what this was and had a tame "Electrician" available to carry it out for a high (my opinion) fee. I may do this and report back, because the results they get and I get may well not be the same! Just how much do you think a 2 bed house in good nick EICR should cost?


    £109 including Maggie's share here.


    Difficult to see how they make much if they do a proper job!


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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    If that is the real failure rate of RCDs John, say 4% per year, they are not fit for purpose and EICRs are not the answer are they?  Do the faulty ones test OK afterwards with the test button? If yes then there is work to do. Essential safety devices failing at 4% per year, that is monstrous.


    0.6 to 0.8 per year over 140 devices = 0.4% - 0.6%


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    My mistake John, but even so..... You did not mention whether the test button "fixed" them?
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    So would a requirement to press the RCD test button/s every three months become part of the tenancy agreement or would a competent person need to be involved.?

    Legh
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    No they are MK RCDs and they do not work on the instrument test or on the test button. I found one the other day, not an MK, where all was well on the instrument tests but the test button did not work.


    I have been doing a few PRS EICRs for landlords and the installations are all failing big time with many non-compliances. They have been let previously without any periodic inspection and testing. 


    I got an ear full recently when a landlord berated me with "this is just another tax on landlords". I politely that his installation was potentially dangerous and the legislation was designed to protect the public  An electric shower wired from a very old wooden framed board  (nothing wrong with 3036 fuses) missing cover from over the fuses.. No 30mA RCD protection and no supplementary bonding with the pull cord isolator switch baked up and unable to isolate. No bond to water and a very loose BS 951 clamp on the gas. No fire stopping where the supply cable passes through the flat wall in to the common area outside etc etc.
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    The biggest problem at the moment is the tight timescale to bring everything inline by the 1st of April 2021. They need separating out more or it’s going to quite for 5 years and then crazy busy again every 5 years.
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    Colin


    Can you explain what you mean by that.


    I find the biggest problem with EICRs is the person doing them!
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    Chris Pearson:
    davezawadi (David Stone):

    I was speaking to an Estate Agent about letting a property last week, and she said, you need an EICR. True but she had no idea of what this was and had a tame "Electrician" available to carry it out for a high (my opinion) fee. I may do this and report back, because the results they get and I get may well not be the same! Just how much do you think a 2 bed house in good nick EICR should cost?


    £109 including Maggie's share here.


    Difficult to see how they make much if they do a proper job!




    I would think it would very depressing reading as specially as they then appear to subbing it out. Had a EICR sent to me to price putting right, have never seen anything so disappointing from a NICEIC approved firm. Under wiring systems for type and nature of the installation and external influences C2 with a description of (3x2.5 cables connected in 30a breaker) This is how it’s actually written. Supply protective device as BSEN 60947-3 Type 3 on the report. Only 6 circuits tested and all labelled unknown but somehow all have R1+R2 results. Both rings only serve 1 point and the lighting circuit has14 points but a R1+R2 of 0.03 The list is unless.


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    John Peckham:

    Colin


    Can you explain what you mean by that.


    I find the biggest problem with EICRs is the person doing them!


    That as well. Now landlords have to have an upto date EICR for new tenants there’s been a big demand. By 1st of April all will require an in date EICR  so if there all given 5 years there’s going to a big peak every 5 years. 


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