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Landlord electrical safety certificate

Hi all, my father in law has a rental property that was completely rewired and with new split load CU five years ago. The installation is now due an inspection. Will the fact that the CU is plastic constitute a "fail"?

  • That is a little more complex Simon. If I engage an "electrician", I can reasonably expect a degree of competence, and if he then gives me a professional report it is his duty and risk that it is compliant. This is why most professions and some trades are regulated by external bodies, the FCA for financial advisors, the SRA for solicitors, Gas Safe for gas men etc. It is unfortunate that the electrical clubs do not have a regulatory body, and worse that they clearly do not wish to set a suitable standard themselves. Passing the 18th edition exam is nothing like sufficient competence for inspection, as is endlessly proved by comments on here, and by EICR reports which are basically rubbish. There is no simple redress against incompetent electricians, and there are a great many of them about. Various attempts have been made by various groups to make the 3rd level exams (2391, 2395, 2396) easier because the previous pass rate was quite low, less than 50%. Apparently this dissuades students from taking the exam, but means that many of those who took it are sadly lacking in knowledge and experience. It also means that the more modern versions of these qualifications are worthless, because they no longer prove very much, a multiple-choice exam with a pretty low pass mark is not sufficient to assess competence and knowledge. It is true that many found the older exam (2391) very hard, because it needed full calculations and essay answers, but that is what is required to Inspect an installation. Why not prove it in the exam? Inspection needs understanding and judgment, would you like a Doctor who had only learned a first-aid book? I think not.
  • davezawadi (David Stone):

    Inspection needs understanding and judgment, would you like a Doctor who had only learned a first-aid book? I think not.


    Indeed. The 2391 is a pale shadow of its former self and the 18th Edition exam has a pass mark of 60% with the book sitting in front of the candidate! It would surprise you how many candidates just about make the grade. If I was having my appendix out and the surgeon told me that he had only got 60% in his taking out appendix exam, I would be up and off that table pronto! 


  • It looks like there may be a few electricians who need to do something else, Lyle. Or perhaps mandatory retraining might be on the cards (Like Gas Safe)?
  • Chris Pearson:

    I do wish that we could get away from CUs. Let's have a bit of sticky-backed mini-trunking on the ceiling please. ?


    WallyW has given it a C3 and the local authority has served a remedial notice. The landlord has appealed to the FtT and counsel has commissioned an expert report from you. What will it say?


    (Incidentally, I notice that the "auto saved" message has improved as has the size of the reply box. Well done Lisa and the gang!) ?


    The expert report should say (among other things) that the sticky-backed mini-trunking is not compliant with BS7671:2018 (assuming for example it is subject to premature failure during a fire).


    At that point the landlord is guilty under regulation 3(1)(a). Even if the landlord hired a competent person to do a proper EICR and the inspector missed it for whatever reason, the landlord is still responsible under the legislation. As I said earlier, the legislation is very badly drafted, and landlords just have to hope that a judge will be sympathetic and declare that making a reasonable effort was good enough.


  • I think that the reality of the situation is that given the Government's advice which JP cited, local authorities will take action on C1, C2, and FI only. That's what matters.
  • Again, thank you everyone who has had an input. It does make me wonder whether "the Regulations" are actually fit for purpose if you can ask a, supposedly, simple question like is a plastic CU allowable in a rental property and it generates 75 responses and none of them are definitive! If the collective brainpower and experience on this forum can't give an answer then what hope for Joe Average Sparky?
  • Ultimately we cannot tell you without taking the cover off, if there is signs of overheating in a plastic consumer unit immediate replacement may be required.


    Andy B.
  • Baaah Andy, that wasn't the question as well you know.
  • I hope you've been on the turps and come to regret such an up-your-*** and generally unhelpful response. Shame on you.
  • The guidance from NAPIT would be code 3, but forum members don’t like NAPIT Codebreakers and will tell you to make your own mind up.


    If it’s a plastic enclosure and the consumer unit is in a non-combustible cupboard then there isn’t an issue.


    It’s gone full circle and goes back to my first post, where is it located?


    Empty the rubbish out of the cupboard under the stairs and ensure the cupboard meets the description of being non-combustible then, assuming it’s not showing any signs of over heating it complies with the regs and there’s nothing to code.


    It it’s showing signs of overheating and in a cupboard being used to store your bottle of turps, then there’s definitely a issue.


    Andy B.