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RCD failure causes shock in neighbours house

Large rural home, family members getting shocks from water pipes when water was running. Owner got a severe shock from the outside tap. Their contractor did some investigation and ruled out a fault in the installation. As the system was TNCS it then looked like a classic case of DNO lost neutral so contractor called them in. Investigation revealed a fault in a nearby farm which was on the same single-phase transformer but was TT. They duly cut off the the offending circuit which they established was supplying the barn. They removed a 45A fuse from the distribution circuit and stuck warning tape over the fuse carrier but left the fuse. Problem solved. I was called in by the home owner when the shocks returned. Unfortunately it was late yesterday afternoon and I didn’t relish the prospect. I stuck a bit of reinforcing bar in the garden and measured 187v between that and the outside tap which was connected to a copper supply pipe. I went to the farm and the old farmer kindly gave me access. He had replaced the fuse that the DNO removed as he needed light to feed his animals but forgot to remove it again. Anyway, his own contractor had apparently dismissed the DNO diagnosis. I pulled the fuse and found that the fault voltage at the house disappeared. Further investigation revealed an almost dead short between phase and earth on a circuit in the barn. The RCD had failed. Given that it was a TT system the fault current was insufficient to blow the 45A fuse. The fault voltage in the house, I speculate, was the manifestation of the voltage drop across the DNO earth electrode. 

The situation does reflect an issue in TTing installations on a TNCS system.
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  • Sparkingchip:

    So f we install foundation earthing for an installation with a lower Ra than the DNO network earthing what happens to the touch voltages in the installation, if anything?


    In normal circumstances, not a lot. During conventional L-PE faults, not too much either (the effect is still small compared with the normal metallic return path). In a broken CNE event on a PME system you'd still have 230V nominal between two different points each connected to true earth (possibly more than 230V on a 3-phase system in some peculiar circumstances) - just how that 230V (or whatever) divides between the DNO's and customer's systems will differ - the lower Ra the less the customer sees and the more the DNO's system (including N/CNE) will be affected.


    To be honest I can't see it being worse than the original PME system for a CNE break near the substation where the DNO's electrode was a few tens of metres of copper buried within the substation compound while the consumers side was connected to literally miles of metallic gas and water pipes.


       - Andy.


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  • Sparkingchip:

    So f we install foundation earthing for an installation with a lower Ra than the DNO network earthing what happens to the touch voltages in the installation, if anything?


    In normal circumstances, not a lot. During conventional L-PE faults, not too much either (the effect is still small compared with the normal metallic return path). In a broken CNE event on a PME system you'd still have 230V nominal between two different points each connected to true earth (possibly more than 230V on a 3-phase system in some peculiar circumstances) - just how that 230V (or whatever) divides between the DNO's and customer's systems will differ - the lower Ra the less the customer sees and the more the DNO's system (including N/CNE) will be affected.


    To be honest I can't see it being worse than the original PME system for a CNE break near the substation where the DNO's electrode was a few tens of metres of copper buried within the substation compound while the consumers side was connected to literally miles of metallic gas and water pipes.


       - Andy.


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