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Fireproofing in cable calculations

Hi


I wondered if I could ask help from the forum with a long overdue project for the C&G2396 course. Struggling a bit.


In a nutshell, how would you derate for fireproofing when a circuit goes from room to room?


It's a lighting circuit wired in 1.5mm singles in steel conduit, passing through several internal concrete block walls, within the screed across floors and up and across wall chases to wall-mounted light fittings.


I gather concrete walls should be at least 90mm thick (Googling), so every time the conduit goes through a wall I guess it would be surrounded by 100mm thermal insulation (derating factor 0.78, Reg 523.9) because of the fire-proofing around the conduit. I thought maybe I should use this on top of Ref Method B for the bits in the screed and wall chases (59B non-sheathed or single-core cables in conduit in masonry). 0.78 x (16.5/19.5) = 0.66 [using Table 4D2A 1.5mm single will carry 19.5A clipped direct, 16.5A Ref Method B].


But then I worried that I should use Ref Method A (1A non-sheathed cables in conduit in thermally insulated wall) because of the fire-proofing. 14/19.5=0.72 [using Table 4D2A 1.5mm single will carry 19.5A clipped direct, 14A Ref Method A]. I was surprised it resulted in a better deal, as I'd been taught Ref Method A was the worst case scenario.


So I think I have it quite wrong.


...Also if Ref Method A makes sense here then doesn't that mean you wouldn't be able to use anything other than Ref Method A (worst case scenario) for any system that passes from room to room, anywhere at all?


Yes, I think I have it very quite wrong.


Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Suki

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  • Hi David,



    Thank you very much for your detailed reply. I read it very carefully and think I almost understand.



    Do you mean that I wouldn’t need to consider what happens when a circuit enclosed in conduit/trunking passes through a wall - I mean just to get to the other side, rather than along it - for cable calculations? That would certainly explain why Reference Method A wouldn’t have to apply to virtually any indoor circuit.



    Thank you for your kind help,



    Suki



     


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  • Hi David,



    Thank you very much for your detailed reply. I read it very carefully and think I almost understand.



    Do you mean that I wouldn’t need to consider what happens when a circuit enclosed in conduit/trunking passes through a wall - I mean just to get to the other side, rather than along it - for cable calculations? That would certainly explain why Reference Method A wouldn’t have to apply to virtually any indoor circuit.



    Thank you for your kind help,



    Suki



     


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