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AMTECH/TRIMBLE ARE THEY DEAF TO CUSTOMERS

I have the Pro-design  Trimble software for use when I am designing. I paid around £2000 for the package and around £1000 a year to keep it updated so not cheap.


I have asked them on a number of times for some suggested facilities that the software will not do. I was told by a friend they do not listen to small customers like myself only to big spend customers. I worked for such a company one or 2 days a week who spent many thousands on their various software packages so when their sales people visited I asked them again for a number of changes. Basically I was told I could make the effort myself to work around what I thought were simple changes or no one else would use my desired features.


As an example I asked for the following.


1. Can I have an ATS interactive symbol. Yes I can use a switchboard for this device but I cannot connect a switchboard to a DB.

2. The default setting on the drawing is the supply at the top of the drawing. I would think 99% of drawings have the supply at the bottom of the drawing. I can change this but have to do so for each project. Answer from Trimble, " You could do this and save it as a template". So in other words we are not going to make the effort, you can1

3. Distribution boards are shown with the main switch at the top of the board when in reality they are at the bottom of the board. I asked again but got the brush off.

4. Distribution boards are numbered top right to the bottom and then top left to the bottom. The convention is top left to the bottom and then top right to the bottom unless of course it's a Wylex DB which is very strange. Apparently they might consider this change in a future version.

5. Can I have a facility  for an LV ring starting at a switch board and running around a number of DBs. Answer No. Apparently no one else does this!

6. Can I have an active icon for as switch fuse and an isolator. No.


In contrast my friends at Modecsoft are very keen to listen to customers and when asked have included all these things. I have Modecsoft but I am to lazy to learn how to use it, which I am told takes about half an hour. I might spend half an hour learning it when my annual invoice for £1000 hits the door mat later this year.


What has prompted this post/rant is I have just reverse engineered a design for an existing data centre on my Amtech and I needed an ATS for a mains to generator change over and had to frig around to achieve this. 


Has anyone on the forum been able to get Amtech to make a change to meet their needs?


Also Trimble if you are reading this Specsavers do hearing tests.

  • John, I share your pain. My experience with these people wasn’t great either. All over me when I was considering the purchase but once I parted with my hard earned, even with the service package bolted on, I found it frustrating dealing with them when blips occurred. I have to say that was quite a few years ago and I no longer have the program so it wouldn’t be reasonable for me to comment about their attitude now. 

    We use Autocad LT in the office but it’s used more for layout and schematics. They do have a comprehensive help library but you would need a masters in nuclear physics to understand it. Thankfully we have an Autocad wiz on hand to   handle the difficult issues. The only advice I can offer in the interim is to watch the BP. IT problems seem to blow my gaskets more than any other thing!
  • Lyle


    Up until now they have had no serious competition so you have to like it or lump it. 


    I do do love the design software as I have used it for years and. I know my way around it with ease and intends to be the industry standard so I can export files to my clients if they want a copy.


    When I have some time I will make the effort learn to use Modecsoft. I see they advertise at the head of this forum.


    Does any forum member have experience in using Modecsoft for design? If you have used both Amtech and Modecsoft how do they compare?


  • John


    Like you, I have asked them over a period of years to update the fire Alarm and Emergency Lighting Certificates to reflect changes in BS5839 and BS5266. Like you, I pay a large sum of money for the support fee. It got to the point where I was starting to use NICEIC certs to supplement the Amtech/ Trimble.....


    Surprise, surprise, this year they updated the certs. Just as well, as I decided this was their last chance before I switched over to using NICEIC certs and another design software.


    I think part of the problem is that Amtech who were orginally quite small have now been swallowed by Trimble who are quite large and this may be reflected through the how things are sold, market size etc.


    I do find the Pro-Design hard to use. Like you, I am at a loss to understand why we can't have supplies at the bottom of the page as is normal convention and switchfuses etc.....


    I do, however, have to acknowledge that when I have emailed in a support request, someone always phones me to try and help and often solves the problem.


    It is also interesting to note that none of the software suppliers (including Trmble) include EV charging documentation given the current activity in this segment.


    Regards


    Mike

  • If it is any consolation, Trimble do not listen to their larger customers paying tens of thousands per year either.  We have introduced Modecsoft ElectricalOM fairly recently to the practice where I work and it has been received very well.  It has not been without issue but Modecsoft have been very proactive in sorting out any issues.


    Spend the 30 mins getting into OM.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Hi John,
    I don't know if it would be appropriate to add here, but for the design of 0.4kV distribution networks, the MeteorSpec software is well suited. It's free plugin for CAD platform and it is developing very actively. Supported CADs are AutoCADRegistered  BricsCADRegistered and GstarCAD. 

    MeteorSpec is not a competitor to such powerful programs as ElectricalOM
    , but convenient for designers who design in the CAD.