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High 3rd harmonic on the neutral

Afternoon,

I was wondering if anyone has nay experiences of having issues with high 3rd harmonic currents on the neutral on high-rised residential schemes? I appreciate  non-linear single phase loads will impact the 3rd harmonic and even on a balanced system harmonics are an issue but we are measuring it at 300% but I can’t think why this may be the case on a residential building.

Does anyone have any ideas?



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  • Denis McMahon:.

    Higher harmonics can also add, but they are less of an issue because they are much smaller.


    I gave this more thought as I was clipping my yew hedge this afternoon.


    A flute produces something near a sine wave, but a clarinet does not. However, if the magnitude of any harmonic were greater than the fundamental, would that frequency not be the fundamental?


    I then wondered what would happen if all the current were at the third harmonic. It seems fairly clear that now we simply have a supply at 150 Hz.


    So now I wonder whether the triplen harmonic(s) can ever be more than 50% of the current.


    Let's have a balanced load of 100 A per phase and 50% 3rd harmonic. 3 x 50 A at 50 Hz cancel out; and 3 x 50 A add up so we have 150 A in the neutral.


    Now let's take a supply with 100 A on 2 phases and none on the third. The third harmonic accounts for 50 % of the current. So at 50 Hz, 50 A goes down the neutral.* At 150 Hz 2 x 50 A goes down the neutral. So now we have 100 A in two of the line conductors and 150 A in the neutral.


    Doubtless the likes of Mike or OMS will comment if I am talking drivel. ?


    * see Annex A722.


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  • Denis McMahon:.

    Higher harmonics can also add, but they are less of an issue because they are much smaller.


    I gave this more thought as I was clipping my yew hedge this afternoon.


    A flute produces something near a sine wave, but a clarinet does not. However, if the magnitude of any harmonic were greater than the fundamental, would that frequency not be the fundamental?


    I then wondered what would happen if all the current were at the third harmonic. It seems fairly clear that now we simply have a supply at 150 Hz.


    So now I wonder whether the triplen harmonic(s) can ever be more than 50% of the current.


    Let's have a balanced load of 100 A per phase and 50% 3rd harmonic. 3 x 50 A at 50 Hz cancel out; and 3 x 50 A add up so we have 150 A in the neutral.


    Now let's take a supply with 100 A on 2 phases and none on the third. The third harmonic accounts for 50 % of the current. So at 50 Hz, 50 A goes down the neutral.* At 150 Hz 2 x 50 A goes down the neutral. So now we have 100 A in two of the line conductors and 150 A in the neutral.


    Doubtless the likes of Mike or OMS will comment if I am talking drivel. ?


    * see Annex A722.


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