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ABB MCCB and 5 seconds disconnection.

Hi all,

Looking for a bit of clarification on disconnection times here. I have information on an ABB Mccb that has been listed as failing on maz zs.

The max zs referenced for the unit is 0.07 ( 250a TMD TP set at maximum) the measured zs is 0.08, however, the max Zs is listed for 0.4 and 5 seconds.

Looking at the time current curve on the mccb once you hit 3.5.times 250a you are in the thermal tripping zone of the mccb. Using the curves software from ABB it indicates a 5 second disconnection can be achieved with 1.66ka.


How do I work this out? is the MaxZs listed as the same for both disconnection times because the only way to ensure a 5sec disconnection is to have an instantaneous trip?
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  • In terms of the operating time, yes it looks quite broad once you are the 'not really instant' part of the curve, assuming the curves you have posted are for the right breaker and setting case, then I agree with your conclusion..


    However, before panicking, and if you are seeing a lot of marginal fails like this on test,  and yet really there are no volt drop issues or visual signs of things cooking it is worth pointing out that an MFT, depending on the model, may or may not be accurate to tens of milliohms, even when meeting the maker's factory test spec with brand new clean and nulled leads and nice bolted joints (not scratchy probes on slightly tarnished screw heads). That back page of the meter  handbook about accuracy and tolerances  is the first thing to check, and/ or the length and cable type.



    (For example This dataasheet from Megger  suggests an accuracy on lop tests of  5% of reading +/- 5 counts in the least significant digit.

    So if the reading on the display was 0.080  then the real value to generate that could lie  anywhere between 0.071 to 0.089   (5% is 4 in the last place plus another 5 counts),

    OK, but worse, while on a less sensitive setting , if the reading on the display was on a range such that it was showing 0.08 ohms, then that reading could be generated by a true value of anything from 0.03 to 0.13.  Neither would be  considered convincing.  Of course by you add a set of leads that have spent more than  a week in the toolbox and busbars that are no longer golden and bright, the uncertainty rises, usually on the upside.  Your meter may be better, but check.)
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  • In terms of the operating time, yes it looks quite broad once you are the 'not really instant' part of the curve, assuming the curves you have posted are for the right breaker and setting case, then I agree with your conclusion..


    However, before panicking, and if you are seeing a lot of marginal fails like this on test,  and yet really there are no volt drop issues or visual signs of things cooking it is worth pointing out that an MFT, depending on the model, may or may not be accurate to tens of milliohms, even when meeting the maker's factory test spec with brand new clean and nulled leads and nice bolted joints (not scratchy probes on slightly tarnished screw heads). That back page of the meter  handbook about accuracy and tolerances  is the first thing to check, and/ or the length and cable type.



    (For example This dataasheet from Megger  suggests an accuracy on lop tests of  5% of reading +/- 5 counts in the least significant digit.

    So if the reading on the display was 0.080  then the real value to generate that could lie  anywhere between 0.071 to 0.089   (5% is 4 in the last place plus another 5 counts),

    OK, but worse, while on a less sensitive setting , if the reading on the display was on a range such that it was showing 0.08 ohms, then that reading could be generated by a true value of anything from 0.03 to 0.13.  Neither would be  considered convincing.  Of course by you add a set of leads that have spent more than  a week in the toolbox and busbars that are no longer golden and bright, the uncertainty rises, usually on the upside.  Your meter may be better, but check.)
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