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ABB MCCB and 5 seconds disconnection.

Hi all,

Looking for a bit of clarification on disconnection times here. I have information on an ABB Mccb that has been listed as failing on maz zs.

The max zs referenced for the unit is 0.07 ( 250a TMD TP set at maximum) the measured zs is 0.08, however, the max Zs is listed for 0.4 and 5 seconds.

Looking at the time current curve on the mccb once you hit 3.5.times 250a you are in the thermal tripping zone of the mccb. Using the curves software from ABB it indicates a 5 second disconnection can be achieved with 1.66ka.


How do I work this out? is the MaxZs listed as the same for both disconnection times because the only way to ensure a 5sec disconnection is to have an instantaneous trip?
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  • I concur with Mike. It is unlikely you could get an accurate reading to discriminate between 0.07 and 0.08 with an MFT. They are really only designed for installations to 100A, PSCC and Earth loop at higher ratings are difficult even with all the right instruments on a real installation because you need bolted connections, exactly zeroed leads and high test currents. If this is a submain as I suspect, the exact disconnection time is probably not the most important thing. If it is 6 seconds not 5, then nothing particularly bad is going to happen. Do you have the original EIC? What is the quoted figure, because if it is close, it is probably better than the one you have measured. The correct way to test this without specilised equipment is to disconnect the live conductors, substitute a high current power supply and pass say 10-50A (Measured to 1% with calibrated meters) and measure the volt drop with a high accuracy millivoltmeter. Now you have the real resistance and it will be lower than you expected. You now also take the path loop inductance into account (either by measurment or calculation having measured the cable length accurately), and calculate the series reactance. Add and that is the real loop impedance. You can use an AC current, but now adjustment and accurate measurment are more difficult (no clamp meters here!).
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  • I concur with Mike. It is unlikely you could get an accurate reading to discriminate between 0.07 and 0.08 with an MFT. They are really only designed for installations to 100A, PSCC and Earth loop at higher ratings are difficult even with all the right instruments on a real installation because you need bolted connections, exactly zeroed leads and high test currents. If this is a submain as I suspect, the exact disconnection time is probably not the most important thing. If it is 6 seconds not 5, then nothing particularly bad is going to happen. Do you have the original EIC? What is the quoted figure, because if it is close, it is probably better than the one you have measured. The correct way to test this without specilised equipment is to disconnect the live conductors, substitute a high current power supply and pass say 10-50A (Measured to 1% with calibrated meters) and measure the volt drop with a high accuracy millivoltmeter. Now you have the real resistance and it will be lower than you expected. You now also take the path loop inductance into account (either by measurment or calculation having measured the cable length accurately), and calculate the series reactance. Add and that is the real loop impedance. You can use an AC current, but now adjustment and accurate measurment are more difficult (no clamp meters here!).
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