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Another funny from the AMD 2 draft for comment - bathrooms, arms are getting shorter.

As I peruse the AMD2  files to see what else has changed I see that the requirements for 13A sockets in a bathroom seem to have magically shrunk from 3m to 2.5m to the edge of Zone 1.

(Edit For background the 3m rule came in formally in the 17th edition - prior to that there had been a blanket ban on sockets in bathrooms since 1950, and then in the 15th edition we had a special clause added to allow sockets at 2.5m in bedrooms with an en-suite, and then part way through the 16th edition the numbered bathroom zones 0, 1,2 and 3 came in, later to be simplified to the current  0, 1, 2 and 'outside the zones'  system.)


I suspect this latest change is based on nothing very much other than the fact the rest of the planet manages them a lot closer than that and they have no issues in practice (outside zone 2, and in a location away from water and steam seems a lowest common denominator, though RCD requirements vary), rather than perhaps that hair dryers being sold with shorter cords than before, or people's ability to spread their arms is reducing  as the general population becomes more overweight.

701.512.3

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Except for SELV socket-outlets complying with Section 414 and shaver supply units complying with BS EN

61558-2-5, socket-outlets are prohibited within a distance of 2.5 m horizontally from the boundary of zone 1.



Personally I think this is a move in the right direction, given the small risks with RCD protection, but until it reduces to about 1.8m, it is still no use in my own bathroom ?.

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  • I think we can all agree that if you must throw an appliance into the bathwater it should be class I and supplied via an RCD, or the bath water should be earthed (?)-  as in the days of the 15th edition, cast iron baths and so forth, it probably was - just a pity there were not so many RCDs back then.

    However, the wider exam question for considering the regs is if you provide sockets in bathrooms do accidents in the house become more or less common ?

    Now for those folk trailing a fan heater in on an extension lead (and we used to do it chez PJ before we got central heating and new windows)  the addition of a fixed socket may or may not make things safer, as yes the electricity is closer to the bath tub, but  now you have some control over where the plug and socket actually are, and maybe eliminate a trip hazard in the hallway outside.

    I suspect if people are hell-bent on doing something dangerous, you will struggle to stop them, but as in kitchens, where water and electrics get close (as well as other risks like heat and knives), but there is probably less exposed skin, most folk around the planet seem to be able to manage. I remember looking at fire and accident stats for the UK way back when Part P first came in, and realising we have (or had in the early 2000s) a very similar no. of exploding hairdryer accidents to Germany, just ours occurred in bedrooms rather than bathrooms.

    Now if sockets in bathrooms become slightly more common than they already are, then  it may be that folk need enough education to realise that water and electricity should be kept apart, though personally I see this change as adding no real risk.
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  • I think we can all agree that if you must throw an appliance into the bathwater it should be class I and supplied via an RCD, or the bath water should be earthed (?)-  as in the days of the 15th edition, cast iron baths and so forth, it probably was - just a pity there were not so many RCDs back then.

    However, the wider exam question for considering the regs is if you provide sockets in bathrooms do accidents in the house become more or less common ?

    Now for those folk trailing a fan heater in on an extension lead (and we used to do it chez PJ before we got central heating and new windows)  the addition of a fixed socket may or may not make things safer, as yes the electricity is closer to the bath tub, but  now you have some control over where the plug and socket actually are, and maybe eliminate a trip hazard in the hallway outside.

    I suspect if people are hell-bent on doing something dangerous, you will struggle to stop them, but as in kitchens, where water and electrics get close (as well as other risks like heat and knives), but there is probably less exposed skin, most folk around the planet seem to be able to manage. I remember looking at fire and accident stats for the UK way back when Part P first came in, and realising we have (or had in the early 2000s) a very similar no. of exploding hairdryer accidents to Germany, just ours occurred in bedrooms rather than bathrooms.

    Now if sockets in bathrooms become slightly more common than they already are, then  it may be that folk need enough education to realise that water and electricity should be kept apart, though personally I see this change as adding no real risk.
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