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Type A rcd . EICR coding ? etc

Hi Guys.   Not been on for a long time, just had a bit of a search and couldn't really find anything so thought i would ask and see what you all thought.


1.  Are we or will we be coding type AC rcd's if there are LED's or induction hobs, lots of electronics  etc  present.

2. How much DC leakage does it actually take to saturate an rcd and cause  problem?

3. How much does a standard LED lamp or induction hob  leak ?

If we test an AC RCD with no load and it's fine then re-test it with all LED lights, induction hobs etc turned on and it operates correctly could we then say that it is ok with a note on EICR  OR EIC if installing any of the above.  


Obviously also on an EICR if the RCD then doesn't operate with it all on it becomes a C2 ?


Any thoughts



Gary
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  • I've been pondering the mention of additional/supplementary protection - presumably against direct contact - so we're expecting the RCD to see a residual current that's just flowing though a person who I presume is a fair approximation to a simple resistor so we shouldn't expect any waveform distortion or d.c. components on that score - so in that respect AC type RCDs should be adequate. On the other hand we have a load that might draw distorted waveform current for its normal load - so the RCD will see distorted a.c. load current plus pure sinewave shock current flowing out in its L coil, and just the distorted N return (without the shock current) in its N coil - so the question is: can we be sure that all AC type RCDs can spot a pure sinewave residual current when both the L and N load currents equally are distorted? I.e. does the insensitivity to distorted sinewaves occur before or after summing in the toroid?


       - Andy.


    Yes, whilst 10 mA and 30 mA RCDs are used for additional protection (perhaps a fault through a person), they may already be subject to complex components in residual currents downstream, and effectively "blinded" by that.


    The situation with fault protection using RCDs is a little more complicated - because the fault may well be as described in A53.1.


    It's also worth considering the wording in, say, some of the Part 7 sections - is the RCD providing additional protection or fault protection? Some Part 7's say "shall be protected by an RCD" - without mention of either fault protection or (in the cases where 30 mA RCDs) additional protection, or even protection against fire! Some clue may be available from the numbering of the requirements (i.e. considering which of the General Requirements in Parts 3, 4, 5, 6, or (in the case of AMD 2 DPC) 8.


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  • I've been pondering the mention of additional/supplementary protection - presumably against direct contact - so we're expecting the RCD to see a residual current that's just flowing though a person who I presume is a fair approximation to a simple resistor so we shouldn't expect any waveform distortion or d.c. components on that score - so in that respect AC type RCDs should be adequate. On the other hand we have a load that might draw distorted waveform current for its normal load - so the RCD will see distorted a.c. load current plus pure sinewave shock current flowing out in its L coil, and just the distorted N return (without the shock current) in its N coil - so the question is: can we be sure that all AC type RCDs can spot a pure sinewave residual current when both the L and N load currents equally are distorted? I.e. does the insensitivity to distorted sinewaves occur before or after summing in the toroid?


       - Andy.


    Yes, whilst 10 mA and 30 mA RCDs are used for additional protection (perhaps a fault through a person), they may already be subject to complex components in residual currents downstream, and effectively "blinded" by that.


    The situation with fault protection using RCDs is a little more complicated - because the fault may well be as described in A53.1.


    It's also worth considering the wording in, say, some of the Part 7 sections - is the RCD providing additional protection or fault protection? Some Part 7's say "shall be protected by an RCD" - without mention of either fault protection or (in the cases where 30 mA RCDs) additional protection, or even protection against fire! Some clue may be available from the numbering of the requirements (i.e. considering which of the General Requirements in Parts 3, 4, 5, 6, or (in the case of AMD 2 DPC) 8.


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