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Help wanted to read/understand an electrical supply plan from DNO - updated new query

EDIT: I have one further query: WPD say that if they were upgrading the local network they would overlay the current 95mm wcon cable with a 185mm wcon cable, but that this alone would not be sufficient to allow for my property to be connected to the local network. Instead, they said that for me to be connected, a 300mm wcon cable needs to be laid, and they want me to fund the difference between the 185 cable and the 300 cable. 


As they were less than scrupulously transparent in their previous quote, I would like to check if anybody has any thoughts on the veracity of this? Why would upgrading to a 185mm cable not allow sufficient capacity to add my supply?




Original question (already answered):Can anybody assist me in understanding what an existing plan provided by my DNO is showing, and what this means for my request for a new supply please? I've had a very large quote to connect our new house (a passive house) to the network, and am not certain that it is quite right. It appears to be asking us to upgrade the local supply from a 95mm2 cable to a 300mm2 cable, and I am being asked to pay 70% of the cost of that. I was told that if this isn't done, the lights would go out for the rest of the street. I'm not an electrical engineer, so am looking for knowledge with which to go back and discuss the quote. Thanks!



Plan of existing supply.pdf


Plan of proposed new supply.pdf
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  • Hello

    Its quite hard to follow all the detail on the drawing and without more local knowledge about the network it is quite hard to comment..... nevertheless a few questions come to mind.


    Firstly WPD appear to want to dig across the road to lay a new duct to accommodate the overlay 300mm2 cable. On the existing plan there appears to be a duct there already with the 95mm2 cable in it.  Of course it may be blocked or have collapsed but equally it could be open.  It should be possible to reuse this duct (or at least attempt to) and this would save the (substantial) costs of digging the road up.  


    Secondly whilst it may be a good engineering solution and help to alleviate other capacity problems (sounds like the existing 95mm2 cable could be overloaded) to overlay the entire length of the existing 95mm2 cable an alternative would be to lay new cable from the substation to the new property.  This could be on a much shorter route if wayleaves can be got to cross the land between the new garage and the corner north of it.  I suspect the substation is pole mounted so providing a new fuse way shouldn't be an issue (if it was ground mounted then its quite possible that the fuse cabinet would be full). It might be possible to T off one of the other LV mains near the substation as an alternative but that will depend on how near to capacity they are.  I think you'd have to pay 100% rather than 70% but you would be looking at a much shorter run and prob a 95mm2 rather than 300mm2 cable and no road crossing, no breeches joint, n need for 2 services joints and 2 service extension joints and no need for one of the pole terminations and much less of your own digging.  It could be even less if you can persuade WPD to run overhead but I expect they would resist this.


    Thirdly, If you took the latter approach the laying of the new cable to the substation would be contestable works and you could find alternative contractor to quote for this which might save money too.


    I would try and find someone local with connections experience who will talk to WPD for you. They have a duty to consider the lowest cost way of connecting you.


    Finally all of the DNOs are preparing business plans for the next regulatory period at present.  These will be reviewed by the independent WPD Customer Engagement Group who I am sure would be interested to hear about your experience.  Connections are a focus for them.


    Hope this helps.
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  • Hello

    Its quite hard to follow all the detail on the drawing and without more local knowledge about the network it is quite hard to comment..... nevertheless a few questions come to mind.


    Firstly WPD appear to want to dig across the road to lay a new duct to accommodate the overlay 300mm2 cable. On the existing plan there appears to be a duct there already with the 95mm2 cable in it.  Of course it may be blocked or have collapsed but equally it could be open.  It should be possible to reuse this duct (or at least attempt to) and this would save the (substantial) costs of digging the road up.  


    Secondly whilst it may be a good engineering solution and help to alleviate other capacity problems (sounds like the existing 95mm2 cable could be overloaded) to overlay the entire length of the existing 95mm2 cable an alternative would be to lay new cable from the substation to the new property.  This could be on a much shorter route if wayleaves can be got to cross the land between the new garage and the corner north of it.  I suspect the substation is pole mounted so providing a new fuse way shouldn't be an issue (if it was ground mounted then its quite possible that the fuse cabinet would be full). It might be possible to T off one of the other LV mains near the substation as an alternative but that will depend on how near to capacity they are.  I think you'd have to pay 100% rather than 70% but you would be looking at a much shorter run and prob a 95mm2 rather than 300mm2 cable and no road crossing, no breeches joint, n need for 2 services joints and 2 service extension joints and no need for one of the pole terminations and much less of your own digging.  It could be even less if you can persuade WPD to run overhead but I expect they would resist this.


    Thirdly, If you took the latter approach the laying of the new cable to the substation would be contestable works and you could find alternative contractor to quote for this which might save money too.


    I would try and find someone local with connections experience who will talk to WPD for you. They have a duty to consider the lowest cost way of connecting you.


    Finally all of the DNOs are preparing business plans for the next regulatory period at present.  These will be reviewed by the independent WPD Customer Engagement Group who I am sure would be interested to hear about your experience.  Connections are a focus for them.


    Hope this helps.
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