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LV on panel door-mounted equipment

I am working on a legacy electrical design, where one of the actions from a recent design review queries the use of 3x 230v door mounted LED for indication of 3ph 400v to the panel's main incoming busbar.


My understanding is that this is not specifically prohibited in 60204-1 but is generally considered to be poor design practice and not as safe as practicable, where I would expect this to be flagged at a design review. Also there is no requirement for this in the end-users site specification. As far as I can see, 60204-1 has specific requirements for touch safety, bonding, wiring and uses of door mounted devices, but it does not specifically state that LV on panel door-mounted equipment is not permitted. Similar issues arise with the use of 230v vent fans on doors etc.


I am expecting that the design will be amended with an ELV alternative, however I wanted to query the regulations for the client.


  • I think you are really asking if a 230v pilot lamp is OK on a hinged metal panel on a unit with mains inside

    The short answer is yes, mains powered lamps meters, sockets  etc can all be mounted on the moving parts  of a metal box.

    The longer answer says that there are other factors to consider in adding a 230 to say 24V supply, if one is not already there, and there is the risk of an ELV  supply failure giving a false safe indication if the 24V or whatever should fail, and the equipment otherwise remains energised. The various failure  modes need to be considered, this  may not matter in this case - how are the indicators used ?

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    Historically to avoid filament lamps (unreliable especially in a high vibration setting like a factory), we would have used mains operated neons, maybe in pairs for redundancy if a lights out was meant to indicate safety.


    If you go to  ELV, the wiring to and the ELV device itself  still sharing an enclosure with the mains, so still needs to be installed and  insulated as if it might come live..

    Other factors, not voltage related

    How is wiring being handled at the hinges - for thin wires it is nice to run the wire to the hinge and then a few inches in a direction  more  or less in-line with the hinge pins, so the action on the wire is more of a twist than a flex. If this cannot be done, then strain loops need to be considered..


    If the concern is that the door mounted kit may become  damaged or wet and then expose a dangerous voltage, then really it is not suitable (or its guard, or Bezel or and lens is not suitable) for the location, regardless of LV or ELV.


    regards Mike.

  • Many years ago I used to build control panels and we used transformer lamps on panel doors to ensure that the 240 was contained within the cabinet and any bulbs were  only 24v to prevent the danger of live exposure if a lens / bulb was damaged.