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Grouping factors on multicore cables

Good afternoon learned colleagues.


Following on from my previous post about the use of 'YY' type cables, our esteemed client has stated that BS7671 does not have grouping factors for multicore cables.  Personally I beg to differ in that table 4C1 states that it is 'rating factors for....a group of circuits or a group of multicore cables....'  What's the hive mind opinion on that statement?


In our case, we have 4 x multicore cables, each carrying 3 circuits each so a total of 12 circuits.  Should we use the figures from the column headed '4' or headed '12'? 12 would give us the worst case, and in fact we are well inside even this figure by our calculations.


Also, the design current for these circuits is only 1.24A, so it is well under the figue of 0.3 x Cg x It at which point under Note 9 arguably all of these circuits could be ignored for grouping purposes anyway.  Do you agree with the vaidity of that argument?


We can park the 'YY' element of the argument for this discussion as the question would equally well apply to the use of a multicore SWA or Harmonised type cable - would you just use the total number of circuits involved from Table 4C1 or is there another method that should be used?


Thanks in advance.


Jason.


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  • If you have 3 cables you need to look at the installation method. 4 circuits in each are well 4 circuits. This guy is trying to make some kind of point, but what is it? Does he not want to pay you, or doesn't like the "look" of the job? So far you have not shown any basic design problem, except probably that the circuits are not fused at 1.24A, so could possibly be "overloaded". This is a pretty false argument for this application as I expect each circuit feeds 1 LED luminaire. I need more info, if you don't want to post it try 07578 997199. Short calls are free to the emergency number!
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  • If you have 3 cables you need to look at the installation method. 4 circuits in each are well 4 circuits. This guy is trying to make some kind of point, but what is it? Does he not want to pay you, or doesn't like the "look" of the job? So far you have not shown any basic design problem, except probably that the circuits are not fused at 1.24A, so could possibly be "overloaded". This is a pretty false argument for this application as I expect each circuit feeds 1 LED luminaire. I need more info, if you don't want to post it try 07578 997199. Short calls are free to the emergency number!
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